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老外对kawaii...等一些词的讨论(看完感觉很有趣)[特别感谢艾夕SAMA的翻译]
Kazetsukai'@2004-01-14 11:23
LK
You haven't seen cute until you seen...
* Kokoro as a rain-charm.
* Chiyo-chan do pengi areobics! ^^
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Palchan
Annie.
XD
*runs*
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Kumo
hahahaha Annie is cute indeed ^^
nowadays the female characters are almost alike--the face, the hair, the eyes, the dresses @@"
yet so far the little girl from "Paradise Kiss"(矢泽爱的天堂之吻？) is adorable!!!!!! her name is "Alice" --- --- --- i guess no one knows what am i talking about ^_^;;;
well, BOYS are cute too>O (hohoho) like----*evil laugh* S____-kun XD he is very cute most of the time (actually all the time)--> well to me ^^;; (这位MM萝莉正太都爱)
another one will be Takeru from Dejimon(好像是数码暴龙中一位)XD (especially 02) there's one ep which made him into a kawaii prince-like boy ^.^ (his actions-courage-and everything was ....hum, what's the word??....great?...ar..beyond 'great')
i don't really think Daisuke(大助) from "D.N.Angel" is that 'cute' but the scene when Dark took over his body was somewhat lovely~~ (white day? in scl)
of coz there are more-----anyhow, once u guys read "paradise kiss", u might think Alice-chan is KAWAII too XD
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LK
Harada_Risa wrote:
yet so far the little girl from "Paradise Kiss" is adorable!!!!!! her name is "Alice" --- --- --- i guess no one knows what am i talking about ^_^;;;
of coz there are more-----anyhow, once u guys read "paradise kiss", u might think Alice-chan is KAWAII too XD
Never heard of 'Paradise Kiss'....
No fair... Girls can drool Digimon and don't get weird looks. I have to employ the Celestine protocol. =P
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Annie(这位应该是同人女)
LK wrote:
Never heard of 'Paradise Kiss'....
Um... it's a shoujo manga.
Palchan wrote:
Annie.
XD
*runs*
AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Didn't you know? Only I am allowed to make stupid responses like that!!! :p
(... and we thought Palchan couldn't be more deluded... *sigh*)
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Chibi
Cute?
There is no one more cuter than Shaoran(小狼) himself!!! (I'm a totally devoted CCS fan!!! Other people might know him as Syaoran) He's so dreamy!!! *drools* ^^;;
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Annie
LK wrote:
You haven't seen cute until you seen...
uh.........................................................
I think everyone by now should know what my example of cuteness would be. Enough said.
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LK
At least, the severely deluded Palchan can not claim to be kawaii as well as *cough* bishi *cough*.
Is it possible to be kawaii and bishi simultaneously?!? I wouldn't know.
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Annie
LK wrote:
Is it possible to be kawaii and bishi simultaneously?!? I wouldn't know.
Good question. In the Annie context, if you are really bish, you're kawaii. (Note: it's only me - i.e. nobody else says it like this.) Therefore, if you see me calling someone "bish" but never saying that they're "kawaii", it could mean that I don't truely think that they're bish.
Ack. Never mind. I'm just weird.
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Kumo
LK wrote:
Never heard of 'Paradise Kiss'.
NO---------------------------- o_O" must read, must read, must read >o<
actually, the comic is more of "mature" type of comic....not exactly~but above "good morning call" (也是一部少女漫画)level ^.^
Annie wrote:
In the Annie context, if you are really bish, you're kawaii.
... ... ...... bish?bishi?...er..what?
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Palchan
Ahh, yeah, Annie has confusing concepts of bish and kawaii, I always thought of it this way:
Kawaii = Cute
Bish = Sexy
Interesting to note this bish also can imply feminine... XD ^_~ In fact there's this one bloke in X TV (crap series, don't watch it) who looks extremely bish... yet extremely feminine (Kakyo(牙晓) I think his name is).
Of course, there are exceptions to the 'looks feminine' rule for bishies...
Palchan for example.
XD XD XD LOL
Of course, whether these two conditions can be upheld at the same time... I hold a degree of doubt for. As it seems women (probably more applicable to chou-chou-otaku-fangirls though) seem to have such outlandish concepts of beauty, I try to think of it in terms of shoujo... Of course what I find as cute and what I find as sexy in that regard rarely match up.
From what I'd imagine:
Ayami-chan + Suzume-chan (Kenshin)(好像是剑心中的两个萝莉), Hello Kitty, anyone from Kanon all etc. = kawaii
Ms. Deep (ROD), Kitsune(绀野) (Love Hina), Seras Victoria (Hellsing) ummm.... Well, I would list some characters from H but I don't think they'd be all that 'popular' here etc. = bish (oujo)
Hmmm... merges of the two... Actually, I imagine characters such as Mahoro(Mahoromatic) or IIna (Kokoro Library) would fit into that realm....
Argh, it's all so vague. >_<
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meku
I think bish refers more to beauty than anything else. Hence a bishonen is a beautiful boy, or a bishoujo is a beautiful girl. As for sexy... well i dont know the jap for that
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Annie
meku wrote:
I think bish refers more to beauty than anything else. Hence a bishonen is a beautiful boy, or a bishoujo is a beautiful girl. As for sexy... well i dont know the jap for that :?
Well, in normal everyday Japanese, if you want to call someone beautiful or good-looking, it's "bijin". Terms like "bishounen" and "bishoujo" really aren't used that often. Normally. (这位似乎对日本很了解)
Sexy = sekushii
Annie's new discovery: Jason from AUNSW is allegedly bish... seems like AUNSW does have a lot of bish execs XD
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LK
Palchan,
You're seeing Mahoro with lustful eyes....
Their ages:
Mahoro~ kyu sai (9) (麻幌)
Kokoro~ Juu sai (10)
Aruto~ Juu go sai (15)
Iina~ Juu shichi sai (17) (可可露图书馆三姐妹)
As you can see Mahoro is underaged, so it makes Palchan a lolicon. =P
Anyway, to me:
Kawaii ~ I want to pat it on the head
Bishoujo ~ I want to huggle her
Bishonen ~ I will direct him to the circle of doujinjo-tachi (东京塔?)^^
Annie,
Take off your bish-coloured spectacles... ^^
Is no one immune to Annie's bishifying stare?!?
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Palchan
LK wrote:
Palchan,
You're seeing Mahoro with lustful eyes....
Their ages:
Mahoro~ kyu sai (9)
Kokoro~ Juu sai (10)
Aruto~ Juu go sai (15)
Iina~ Juu shichi sai (17)
As you can see Mahoro is underaged, so it makes Palchan a lolicon. =P
ROFL
Well first of all, Mahoro isn't human :p, so she's excluded ^^. Anyway, I was more a fan of the teacher XD, ROFL
Secondly, how come a librarian needs a licence to lend books, BUT doesn't need to be over 18!?! How outlandish =S =S.
Anyway, the people from Kokoro library don't interest me all that much.(这位好像是御姐命)
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LK
Palchan wrote:
ROFL
Well first of all, Mahoro isn't human :p, so she's excluded ^^. Anyway, I was more a fan of the teacher XD, ROFL
To the tune of Mahoro de Mambo;
Ookina hitomi, ookina mune;
Sensei no namae yonderu... ^^
Palchan,
I'm sure the libraries in Kokosho don't have a 18+ section... =P
おねがい☆ツインズ (Onegai Twins)~ ichiban kawaii XD
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cooked_sashimi
seen as this thread is about 'cute', i recently stumpled across a bottle of preserved radish strips with the brand 'kawaii'... i kno it doesnt make sense but hey. i had that spicy radish with my congee this morning... XD
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LK
Now... this is CUTE!
The Bindume Yousei (Bottle Fairy)
-> http://forums.animeiris.com/viewtopic.php?p=9854#9854
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City_Hunter
Kawaii ?
Just look at LK's Signature.
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abcbuzhiming@2004-01-14 11:41
看不懂，英语不过关，谁给翻译一下
Lovaboy@2004-01-14 11:48
谁帮忙翻译下..........全英文的~~
Lain-gfm@2004-01-14 11:49
6级没过 @_@
Kazetsukai'@2004-01-14 11:57
可以借助一下翻译软件,不是很难懂的.
timer@2004-01-14 11:58
看不明白啊~.~
冒牌天神@2004-01-14 12:05
好象很复杂的样子~不能翻译一下在发吗？很多人看不明白~
ownfish@2004-01-14 12:28
我没来错地方？这里是中国啊，请翻译一下好吗？
恭介@2004-01-14 12:37
好长阿，看起来好费劲。
楼主的英语一定很强了
Re: 老外对kawaii...等一些词的讨论(看完感觉很有趣)
艾夕@2004-01-14 12:43
LK
You haven't seen cute until you seen...
* Kokoro as a rain- charm.
* Chiyo-chan do pengi areobics! ^^
你没见过可爱直到你看了……
*像雨的魅力一样的的心（什么和什么？||||）
*千代（后面是什么=_=英语日语？）
Annie.
XD
*runs*
*跑走*
Kumo
hahahaha Annie is cute indeed ^^
哈哈哈哈（|||），annie 更可爱^^
nowadays the female characters are almost alike--the face, the hair, the eyes, the dresses @@"
现在的女生们都长得差不多，脸，头发，眼睛，裙子@@
yet so far the little girl from "Paradise Kiss"(矢泽爱的天堂之吻？) is adorable!!!!!! her name is "Alice" --- --- --- i guess no one knows what am i talking about ^_^;;;
但是“天堂之吻”（借用一下|||）里面的小女孩好可爱！！！！他的名字是Alice-----------我想可能没有人知道我在说什么吧^_^
well, BOYS are cute too>O (hohoho) like----*evil laugh* S____-kun XD he is very cute most of the time (actually all the time)--> well to me ^^;; (这位MM萝莉正太都爱)
南孩子们也好可爱>O<。。。比如说-----“坏笑”
（|||什么什么kun？-_-？||||）他总是很可爱（实际上一直很可爱）-->至少我觉得^^
another one will be Takeru from Dejimon(好像是数码暴龙中一位)XD (especially 02) there's one ep which made him into a kawaii prince-like boy ^.^ (his actions-courage-and everything was ....hum, what's the word??....great?...ar..beyond 'great')
i don't really think Daisuke(大助) from "D.N.Angel" is that 'cute' but the scene when Dark took over his body was somewhat lovely~~ (white day? in scl)
另一个就是数码爆龙里面的小武，有一集里面，他被变成了王子一样^.^（他的动作，他的勇气，他的一切都。。。恩，是什么词来着？。。。好强的？啊。。。超过好强。。）
我不觉得dnangel里面的大助很可爱除了Dark操纵他的身体的时候，还有些可爱~~（white day？是什么？|||||）
of coz there are more-----anyhow, once u guys read "paradise kiss", u might think Alice-chan is KAWAII too XD
当然还有更多的----总之，只要你们看了“天堂之吻”，也许就会觉得Alice也很可爱XD
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LK
Never heard of 'Paradise Kiss'....
从没听说过“天堂之吻”。。。
No fair... Girls can drool Digimon and don't get weird looks. I have to employ the Celestine protocol. =P
不公平。。。女生们可以看着数码爆龙流口水而且不会看起来很奇怪。
我要雇用（什么什么……？|||）
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Annie这位应该是同人女)
LK wrote:
Never heard of 'Paradise Kiss'....
Um... it's a shoujo manga.
Palchan wrote:
Annie.
XD
*runs*
AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Didn't you know? Only I am allowed to make stupid responses like that!!! :p
(... and we thought Palchan couldn't be more deluded... *sigh*)
啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊！！！！你不知道？只有我允许作出那样笨的反应！！
（。。。而且我们觉得palchan 不能再迷惑了。。叹）
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Chibi
Cute?
可爱？
There is no one more cuter than Shaoran(小狼) himself!!! (I'm a totally devoted CCS fan!!! Other people might know him as Syaoran) He's so dreamy!!! *drools* ^^;;
没人能比小狼更可爱了！（我是个深爱Card captor Sakura的fan！别人可能直到的是Syaoran(小狼英文念法-_-)！他太梦想型了（或者说被别人梦想？|||）流口水
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Annie
LK wrote:
You haven't seen cute until you seen...
uh.........................................................
I think everyone by now should know what my example of cuteness would be. Enough said.
我觉得所有人都应该知道我的可爱的例子是什么了。说得够多了。
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LK
At least, the severely deluded Palchan can not claim to be kawaii as well as *cough* bishi *cough*.
最后，激烈迷惑的palchan 不能说是可爱就像*咳*bishi*咳*（后面会说bishi是什么^^||）
Is it possible to be kawaii and bishi simultaneously?!? I wouldn't know.
可爱和bishi可以同时在一起吗？我不知道。
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Annie
LK wrote:
Is it possible to be kawaii and bishi simultaneously?!? I wouldn't know.
Good question. In the Annie context, if you are really bish, you're kawaii. (Note: it's only me - i.e. nobody else says it like this.) Therefore, if you see me calling someone "bish" but never saying that they're "kawaii", it could mean that I don't truely think that they're bish.
好问题，在annie的文章里面，如果你真的bish，你就是可爱。（注：只是我觉得。i.e.没别人这样说）
所以，如果你看见我叫别人bish但是没说他们很可爱，那就不代表我真地认为他们很bish（这是绕口令啊啊啊啊啊TT）
Ack. Never mind. I'm just weird.
啊。算了。我真奇怪。
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Kumo
LK wrote:
Never heard of 'Paradise Kiss'.
NO---------------------------- o_O" must read, must read, must read >o<
不行--------------一定要看一定要看一定要看
actually, the comic is more of "mature" type of comic....not exactly~but above "good morning call" (也是一部少女漫画)level ^.^
其实，那漫画更像是很“成熟”的那种。。。不是完全一样，但是水平高于“good morning call”（我好像听过这个的bl drama=v=|||）
Annie wrote:
In the Annie context, if you are really bish, you're kawaii.
... ... ...... bish?bishi?...er..what?
bish?bishi？厄……什么？
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Palchan
Ahh, yeah, Annie has confusing concepts of bish and kawaii, I always thought of it this way:
啊，没错。annie把bish和可爱弄混了，我一直觉得是这样的：
Kawaii = Cute
kawaii=可爱
Bish = Sexy
bish=性感
Interesting to note this bish also can imply feminine... XD ^_~ In fact there's this one bloke in X TV (crap series, don't watch it) who looks extremely bish... yet extremely feminine (Kakyo(牙晓) I think his name is).
很好玩地注一下hish也可以意味娇柔（很像女人）的。。
事实上这里有一个小子在x战记（恶心，别看了），一个很bish的……
也很像女人的，牙晓
Of course, there are exceptions to the 'looks feminine' rule for bishies...
当然，也有其他例外的“看起来很像女人的”bishies。。。
Palchan for example.
比如palchan（到底是谁啊啊啊啊啊啊啊TT||||）
XD XD XD LOL
Of course, whether these two conditions can be upheld at the same time... I hold a degree of doubt for. As it seems women (probably more applicable to chou-chou-otaku-fangirls though) seem to have such outlandish concepts of beauty, I try to think of it in terms of shoujo... Of course what I find as cute and what I find as sexy in that regard rarely match up.
当然，无论这两个情况可以同时赞成。。。我怀有疑问。女人们（更偏向那种超-超-otaku的女fans）有这种奇怪的审美观，我试着想shoujo（少女？|||）这个词，当然我想到的可爱和我找到的性感很少有地匹配了。
From what I'd imagine:
从我想想来看：
Ayami-chan + Suzume-chan (Kenshin)(好像是剑心中的两个萝莉), Hello Kitty, anyone from Kanon all etc. = kawaii
hello kitty，任何kanon里面的=可爱
Ms. Deep (ROD), Kitsune(绀野) (Love Hina), Seras Victoria (Hellsing) ummm....
Well, I would list some characters from H but I don't think they'd be all that 'popular' here etc. = bish (oujo)
哎，我可以想出一些h里面的，但我不认为他们在这里会很流行etc=bish
Hmmm... merges of the two... Actually, I imagine characters such as Mahoro(Mahoromatic) or IIna (Kokoro Library) would fit into that realm....
恩……合并两个……实际上，我想想出有Mahoro(魔力女仆还是什么来着？||||) or IIna (心之图书馆)
Argh, it's all so vague. >_<
啊……都很含糊的
翻译到这里……原来有这么长啊。。。
剩下的以后再说|||||||谢谢楼主提供的名字TT
这种日文英文在一起的东西……bt死了……
奇杨@2004-01-14 12:58
不是非常难啦……勉强看得懂……（不懂的单词用词霸就ko了）
一片人名头都看痛了……这里面提到的漫画好多我都没看啊……汗……
"bijin" ,"bishounen" and "bishoujo"汗。。。都不是很清楚
对日语没什么研究，看这篇看的头痛阿……
不过原来bish=sexy啊……一直都不是很清楚
不过说到kawai的人物，我想小夏钝帆的作品里全是啊~（kawai的人漫画里是多的是啊~更不用说kawai的"生物"了~）
至于sexy的，最近少女漫画里泛滥阿……（对少女漫画越来越没兴趣了）
不过楼上的翻译还真强啊……日语+英语，我光看头都大了！
Re: 老外对kawaii...等一些词的讨论(看完感觉很有趣)
艾夕@2004-01-14 13:11
meku
I think bish refers more to beauty than anything else. Hence a bishonen is a beautiful boy, or a bishoujo is a beautiful girl. As for sexy... well i dont know the jap for that
我觉得BISH比别的更有关美丽。
所以bishonen是美少年，bishoujo是美少女。
性感的话……我不知道日文是什么。
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Annie
meku wrote:
I think bish refers more to beauty than anything else. Hence a bishonen is a beautiful boy, or a bishoujo is a beautiful girl. As for sexy... well i dont know the jap for that :?
Well, in normal everyday Japanese, if you want to call someone beautiful or good-looking, it's "bijin". Terms like "bishounen" and "bishoujo" really aren't used that often. Normally. (这位似乎对日本很了解)
well,在日本，如果你想叫别人漂亮，是“bijin”（美人）。bishounen&bishoujo不很常用，一般来说。
Sexy = sekushii
性感=sekushii（sexy的日文发音）
Annie's new discovery: Jason from AUNSW is allegedly bish... seems like AUNSW does have a lot of bish execs XD
annie的新发现： AUNSW里面的 Jason有很多bish举止……（又是什么？|||）
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LK
Palchan,
You're seeing Mahoro with lustful eyes....
你在用淫秽的眼睛看魔力女仆。。。
Their ages:
他们的年龄：
Mahoro~ kyu sai (9) (麻幌)
Kokoro~ Juu sai (10)
Aruto~ Juu go sai (15)
Iina~ Juu shichi sai (17) (可可露图书馆三姐妹)
As you can see Mahoro is underaged, so it makes Palchan a lolicon. =P
你可以看到，麻幌还没到岁数，所以palchan是个萝莉控。（翻译的某人看到这里笑倒||||）
Anyway, to me:
总之对我来说：
Kawaii ~ I want to pat it on the head
可爱~我想拍她的头
Bishoujo ~ I want to huggle her
美少女~我想抱她
Bishonen ~ I will direct him to the circle of doujinjo-tachi (东京塔?)^^
美少年~我会直接领他去同人女们那里（某艾再次笑倒ing|||||）
Annie,
Take off your bish-coloured spectacles... ^^
Is no one immune to Annie's bishifying stare?!?
annie，
摘下你的有色眼镜^^
没有人免疫annie的有色目光吗？！？！
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Palchan
LK wrote:
Palchan,
You're seeing Mahoro with lustful eyes....
Their ages:
Mahoro~ kyu sai (9)
Kokoro~ Juu sai (10)
Aruto~ Juu go sai (15)
Iina~ Juu shichi sai (17)
As you can see Mahoro is underaged, so it makes Palchan a lolicon. =P
ROFL
Well first of all, Mahoro isn't human :p, so she's excluded ^^. Anyway, I was more a fan of the teacher XD, ROFL
Secondly, how come a librarian needs a licence to lend books, BUT doesn't need to be over 18!?! How outlandish =S =S.
Anyway, the people from Kokoro library don't interest me all that much.(这位好像是御姐命)
大笑
首先呢，麻幌不是人类，所以排除在外^^
总之，我是老师的fan，大笑
其次，图书馆管理员为什么需要图书证来借书，但却不需要大于18岁？多古怪
总之，心之图书馆的人们不怎么吸引我
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LK
Palchan wrote:
ROFL
Well first of all, Mahoro isn't human :p, so she's excluded ^^. Anyway, I was more a fan of the teacher XD, ROFL
To the tune of Mahoro de Mambo;
Ookina hitomi, ookina mune;
Sensei no namae yonderu... ^^
mahoro里面
大大的眼睛，大大的胸（某艾再次笑倒||||）
呼唤老师的名字^^（用日文年起来居然有点押韵=_=b）
Palchan,
I'm sure the libraries in Kokosho don't have a 18+ section... =P
palchan，我敢肯定心之图书馆里面的图书馆没有18+类的……（译者小注：好像美国大学图书馆里面有花花公子之类的杂志|||||普通图书馆里面也有成人区……害死我了-_-|||）
おねがい☆ツインズ (Onegai Twins)~ ichiban kawaii XD
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cooked_sashimi
seen as this thread is about 'cute', i recently stumpled across a bottle of preserved radish strips with the brand 'kawaii'... i kno it doesnt make sense but hey. i had that spicy radish with my congee this morning... XD
看起来这个主题是有关“可爱”，我最近突然被一罐子贴着“可爱”标签的萝卜条绊住了。。。
我知道没有意义可是。。。我早饭吃的是辣萝卜和粥XD（某艾爆笑|||）
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LK
Now... this is CUTE!
这才是可爱！
The Bindume Yousei (Bottle Fairy)
-> http://forums.animeiris.com/viewtopic.php?p=9854#9854
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City_Hunter
Kawaii ?
可爱？
Just look at LK's Signature.
看看LK的签名就知道了
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翻译完了啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊||||||
后面的还真是爆笑|||||
lolikon正太kon御姐kon都有了=v=。。。。
无差别忍笑ing|||||肚子痛了|||
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最初由 奇杨 发布
不是非常难啦……勉强看得懂……（不懂的单词用词霸就ko了）
一片人名头都看痛了……这里面提到的漫画好多我都没看啊……汗……
"bijin" ,"bishounen" and "bishoujo"汗。。。都不是很清楚
对日语没什么研究，看这篇看的头痛阿……
不过原来bish=sexy啊……一直都不是很清楚
不过说到kawai的人物，我想小夏钝帆的作品里全是啊~（kawai的人漫画里是多的是啊~更不用说kawai的"生物"了~）
至于sexy的，最近少女漫画里泛滥阿……（对少女漫画越来越没兴趣了）
不过楼上的翻译还真强啊……日语+英语，我光看头都大了！
刚刚发现bish好像不是日文||||
难道是英文里面bitch演变出的文明版本？|||寒一个|||||
gemini22g@2004-01-14 13:12
蛮有趣的，也算有不少e文的网语吧。
问一下，XD到底是什么？在港台的论坛也经常看到，曾经认为是“兄弟”，但既然英文论坛也也用，就不是所谓的拼音缩写了。
gemini22g@2004-01-14 13:17
请问贴主，这是那个网站的?以后可以常去逛逛的说....
艾夕@2004-01-14 13:18
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最初由 gemini22g 发布
蛮有趣的，也算有不少e文的网语吧。
问一下，XD到底是什么？在港台的论坛也经常看到，曾经认为是“兄弟”，但既然英文论坛也也用，就不是所谓的拼音缩写了。
XD竖过来看^^
上面的就是><，下面的是笑着的嘴巴~~
很形象的哦~~
总之看语言环境拉，就会很容易分辨出来的~
里面没有多少网语，都是中国课本上没教过的口头-_-
anyway，总之
well，中文翻译不能||||
也有cause-coz~习惯了-_-。。。
“看到美少年就拉去同人女”这句真是绝妙阿……
the forum's here~
http://forums.animeiris.com/
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