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hu14@2008-09-12 20:14
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最初由 lulukoluluko 发布
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就是⊥覆皇钦f最K回人出F在BF
可是我看下一A告女王就已站出沓
那⊥钢傅哪人是女王的可能性大榻档土?
不钺嵛杼艚oranka吧?
那个时候MF正向虫星俯冲呢……公主再能也不至于能到这种程度，这么快就把兰花救出来
hyde333@2008-09-12 20:17
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最初由 Wildcat01 发布
上星期七点多就开楼了,害我没赶上,跑到第二页去.
那看来是被虐到了[/KH] [/KH]
其实第二页也算前面了，好的发言就算在多后也不会被54的，倒是占楼待编辑我老直接给带过了=_,=
mzwsgdgs@2008-09-12 20:18
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最初由 longsheng 发布
突然想起个细节BUG
公主和妖精做菜的时候煮了一大锅东西
妖精切伤手后公主还切了个很大的白萝卜
结果到了开香槟的时候
桌面上的菜都穿越成西餐式
前面煮的一大锅FOLD掉了...................
那是典型的纯和食，热菜不多，冷食不少，份量少，盘子多，重视素雅的装饰
其中茶碗腌菜一应俱全，貌似还有生贝。餐具则是女王不会使用的筷子
carrotfairy@2008-09-12 20:19
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最初由 longsheng 发布
突然想起个细节BUG
公主和妖精做菜的时候煮了一大锅东西
妖精切伤手后公主还切了个很大的白萝卜
结果到了开香槟的时候
桌面上的菜都穿越成西餐式
前面煮的一大锅FOLD掉了...................
桌子上的不都是和式料理么？
而且分量很少，有一个碟子里只有一片藕和一个虾尾……
软骨兔@2008-09-12 20:20
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最初由 hyde333 发布
那看来是被虐到了[/KH] [/KH]
其实第二页也算前面了，好的发言就算在多后也不会被54的，倒是占楼待编辑我老直接给带过了=_,=
但是一般来说，人看到这楼太高的话就只会看前面几页，倒忽略了中间的精彩部分。
Wildcat01@2008-09-12 20:20
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最初由 hyde333 发布
那看来是被虐到了[/KH] [/KH]
其实第二页也算前面了，好的发言就算在多后也不会被54的，倒是占楼待编辑我老直接给带过了=_,=
之前我就有一次占楼编辑,结果还没编辑完就给和谐掉了. [/KH]
现在学乖了,先打出来摆在旁边,等楼开了一次贴上.
hoh@2008-09-12 20:20
本周大家哈e文评论，也来贴一点。据说都是japanese speaker写的。最后一位（做了个超燃的妖精mad)。
顺带贴mad的地址，转自eden的kagamikakami老大。
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4593090
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIEv8BgVRxo
From MaiHikari:
第一位认为库兰“这就是你的爱么”是指的对f船团全体民众的“大爱”，但爱的方法不对（这有点老调重弹）。但后面的理由比较有意思。MaiHikari-hime 认为公主如果因为爱兰卡而要杀她的话就太渣了，因为兰卡自己还想（和他一起）活下去，这不是违背兰卡的意志么，还什么爱兰卡；反过来讨论大爱方式则比较适合主题：灭虫ｖｓ人虫和谐，而人虫和谐的大爱方式是和二想要的主题。
“* It’s interesting to note the conversation between Alto and his brother. His brother wants him to consider what he wants and if fighting and killing is really what he wished for. This is reaffirmed with Klan’s question: “is this your form of love?” In my opinion, that question is after all a question, not an answer. She thinks Alto’s view of love, if it is true, is quite sad–meaning to kill someone close to him in order to protect everyone else. But she is asking him, because she doesn’t think that that is his true form of love. Again, the series wants Alto to consider an alternative solution to the war other than killing off the enemy.
* Alto joined SMS to protect Ranka, and now to protect the rest of Frontier, he is willing to kill Ranka. There are a few ways to interpret this. The first, which was brought up in this forum, and I don’t agree with: Alto wants to kill Ranka for her own good because he loves her and doesn’t want to see her turn bad. If that is what Alto’s thinking, then he’s just selfishly using “Ranka’s sake” as an excuse to kill her, despite her own wishes to live, even to live with him. In this case, he is a coward and a hypocrite. The second, which is reaffirmed by the theme of the series and by Alto’s brother and Klan’s words, is that he simply wants to protect but his method is really the wrong way to do it. He can’t protect something by destroying something else. That is not what love means. Thus, what Klan wants to tell Alto in this episode is not referring to Alto’s romantic love, but his misguided methods.”
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From Monir:
Monir-hime的想法也比较有意思，说公主正是因为太“大爱”了，所以没有办法把自己的爱奉献给任何一个女主角。“They can love him all they want, but he is incapable of returning it to either of them to their liking because of his scope of perception”－－ｏｍｇ，scope of perception就是指的公主的大爱。不得不说Monir-hime英语文采好得一塌糊涂，拜倒。
“When Klan asked, “Alto, sore ga omae` no ai ka?”… she isn’t exactly asking Alto who is he going to pick for his romantic interest, rather, .. she is making a very sad observation. Let me elaborate. Does Alto like Sheryl? Yes. Does Alto like Ranka? Yes. Alto also likes the people who chooses to live in this fragile world. Alto is declaring that he wouldn’t mind killing one of his loved one if it means avoiding mass destruction for those people. From that line of thought, it seems, Alto’s definition of “love” is too vast, so it renders him unable to be tied down by the affection of one or two people. I think that’s what Klan realizes just now, and Sheryl has been into such realization for some time already. They can love him all they want, but he is incapable of returning it to either of them to their liking because of his scope of perception.”
( Not my favourite interpretation, of course ^^ ).
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From Darial:
第三位大意是一切都不确定（包括公主对兰卡还有没有感情）。但是为了兰卡参加sms不代表爱兰卡；且如果公主对sheryl的感觉还是像开场时那样的话，他就不会promise留在sheryl身边了。总之一切不定，兰卡饭不用高兴太早，sheryl饭不用太悲哀。
“I am actually really amused at the whole angst about Episode 23’s ending part.
Alto’s feeling for the two female leads shifted and changed throughout the series. To say Alto’s feelings for both Ranka and Sheryl remain static is to deny all the character developments that have taken place in the 22 prior episodes.
Sure, Alto joined SMS with an urge to protect Ranka and Frontier (as well as flying) back in episode 3. But does he still feel the exactly the same way about Ranka in episode 23? Maybe, maybe not. Did he have feelings for Ranka, sure, at one point. Does he still have that feeling now? Who knows, other than he said will kill her to protect Frontier if push comes to shove.
As for Alto’s feelings toward Sheryl, if he still feels the same way about her as he did in episode 3, he probably wouldn’t have promised to stay by her side until the very end.
Therefore, to use one of Alto’s original reasons to join SMS to show he is in love with Ranka in Episode 23 is simply not supported by anything in fact or logic. The Alto of episode 23 is a very different person, and he still hasn’t told us who he truly love yet.
Thus, at the end of 23, Sheryl misunderstood the context of Alto’s discussion with Klan. And that’s fine. Kawamori has to milk two more episodes of dramatic tension, and if he needs to milk more sympathy from Sheryl fans, he’ll do it without hesitation.
The true ending is still far from certain, and anything is possible. My opinion is that Sheryl and Ranka are on two separate tracks with different “positive growth” endings for each character where each of them will be happy in their own ways. But that’s just my opinion.
IMHO, Ranka fans should not be celebrating this soon, and Sheryl fans shouldn’t get depressed at all. There are still two episodes left where anything can happen, and the fact Alto is still on Frontier speaks volumes in my mind.”
I hope this sparks some discussion. :)
顺带还有些像莫像样的lanka饭发言，要的话可以贴上来。
lulukoluluko@2008-09-12 20:21
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最初由 longsheng 发布
突然想起个细节BUG
公主和妖精做菜的时候煮了一大锅东西
妖精切伤手后公主还切了个很大的白萝卜
结果到了开香槟的时候
桌面上的菜都穿越成西餐式
前面煮的一大锅FOLD掉了...................
是西餐嗎?
看起來像和食呢!
還有味增湯碗 只能說搭配紅酒真是太不和諧了..
女王真有你的...
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最初由 hu14 发布
那个时候MF正向虫星俯冲呢……公主再能也不至于能到这种程度，这么快就把兰花救出来
那看來是bobby的機率大增了!!!
來唱宇宙兄弟船吧～:o
软骨兔@2008-09-12 20:23
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最初由 Wildcat01 发布
之前我就有一次占楼编辑,结果还没编辑完就给和谐掉了. [/KH]
现在学乖了,先打出来摆在旁边,等楼开了一次贴上.
我更乖，干脆直接闭嘴不说了-_,-又不是圣兔玛利亚。
hyde333@2008-09-12 20:24
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最初由 软骨兔 发布
但是一般来说，人看到这楼太高的话就只会看前面几页，倒忽略了中间的精彩部分。
我倒是楼高就只看末尾几页，前面的都54[/KH]
carrotfairy@2008-09-12 20:26
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最初由 SwimmingX 发布
~~发现女王自己都觉得公主是在同情她~~~
看来编剧的下场应该会很惨了........
无责任结局猜测：frontier的人移居到新星球，因为虫子只是在轨道上的巢穴生活，所以人虫和谐~~至于三角恋......Ranka会变成虫子女王漫游宇宙，女王华丽地便当~~~公主.....重返歌舞伎町~~~成为新星球的新“歌姬”~~代替银河的妖精和超时空灰姑娘~~~
天啊，难怪我讨厌偶像剧~~~mf的剧本都逼我想出这些东西了.....
话说虫子不用空气也不吃东西，为什么还要找那种环境的星球轨道生活呢？
MEIMI@2008-09-12 20:26
嗯~~~日本人所谓的“爱情”一词本来就包含了各种的爱。。。亲情友情兄妹之爱兄弟之爱等等等等。。。。
lulukoluluko@2008-09-12 20:29
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最初由 MEIMI 发布
嗯~~~日本人所谓的“爱情”一词本来就包含了各种的爱。。。亲情友情兄妹之爱兄弟之爱等等等等。。。。
一直把你跟33搞錯........[/han]
无为@2008-09-12 20:29
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最初由 MEIMI 发布
嗯~~~日本人所谓的“爱情”一词本来就包含了各种的爱。。。亲情友情兄妹之爱兄弟之爱等等等等。。。。
R2 TURN5轰杀众人的”娜娜利我爱你":D
Wildcat01@2008-09-12 20:31
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最初由 carrotfairy 发布
话说虫子不用空气也不吃东西，为什么还要找那种环境的星球轨道生活呢？
星球上可能有原始文明的神棍之物.虫子只是财宝的守卫.
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