[原创]关于RAHXEPHON的理解和猜想|主题讨论精华区 - 『漫游』酷论坛

感谢楼主，我刚看完Rahxephon，解了不少谜团呢……
请问Rahxephon是否有更详细的资料或者解惑书呢（比如久远的诗的更多解释）。

很希望有人能做一个主题站，不过现在的动漫爱好者（包括我）的热情比以前似乎已经减少很多了呢（难道是因为动画太多而且太容易得到的缘故？）……

另外个人到现在也未理解为什么浩子要出来和凌人战斗，难道耗子在T.J里遇到凌人的时候都在演戏（完全不了解MU的事情）？她只是为了来到Rahxephon身边来实施镇压而已吗？如果是这样的话，以实力来看本来就没必要。如果说在T.J
她什么都不知道的话，来到外部世界就能操纵一个Dolme，而且还用它来和凌人战斗——就更不合理了……

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hbd303132@2003-09-10 18:15

楼主研究的够仔细啊

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wh-apple@2003-09-14 22:10

其实很多东西仔细看仔细想是能够搞明白的,(比如说人物之间的关系)
苦于以前没有了解那些神话所以看起来很吃力
我是看的要重看一遍的
很感动他们的爱情故事
至少在赚人眼泪这一点翼神传说是当之无愧的比EVA强
至于世界观啊人设什么的各有优点
又何必强求他人与自己意见一致?
但是互相侮蔑就不好了

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刚看了RahX,和几篇重要的文章

Shirley.Ambiv@2003-10-01 01:49

既然讨论了这么多本身的揭秘，应该看看另一方面，即动画本身的一些内涵

关于RahX与EVA
以及RahX更基本的一些寓意
翻译中~~1天内完成

1 Is RahXephon an Evangelion Rip Off?

August 20th, 2002
Question:
Surely you've heard of the debate that's been going on, comparing RahXephon against Eva. Some say it outright rips it off while others say there are similarities but nothing more. I'm curious to see what your take on this is since I'm sure we'll hear about it more once ADV releases this.
Answer:

Overexposure has dulled my enthusiasm for Evangelion over the years, but I still like and respect the show very much. Evangelion offers amazing action choreography and a stunning level of intellectual depth and philosophical pontification. RahXephon isn't nearly as intellectual or theoretical, but is instead much more mysterious and subtle and, I dare say, artistic than Evangelion. To some degree I have trouble comparing them because Evangelion seems to be a show with an agenda, a point to make, while RahXephon is much more a show seemingly intended only to be engaging and stimulating and entertaining.

In that respect, RahXephon is less challenging and therefore easier to enjoy and like than Evangelion. I wouldn't say that RahXephon "rips off" Evangelion, especially considering that Evangelion itself is a psychological parody and theoretical analysis of the giant robot anime genre that's existed since the early 1970s. (In other words, Evangelion is very far from "original" itself.) RahXephon actually borrows far more heavily from Megazone 23 than it does Evangelion, and even Evangelion could be said to be heavily influenced by Megazone 23. I think that in its effort to be purely artistic entertainment, RahXephon knowingly pays homage to both Megazone 23 and Evangelion in the same way Evangelion re-uses the concept of a boy piloting his father's giant robot that was used 20 years before in Mobile Suit Gundam, which itself borrowed the idea from even older shows like Tetsujin 28 and Mazinger.

To summarize, I would say that the similarities between RahXephon and Evangelion are intentional. To summarize in an analogy, RahXephon is to Evangelion as Baz Luhrmann's Romeo+Juliet is to Franco Zeffirelli' Romeo & Juliet. Neither is Shakespeare's original, and both are exceptional productions and each enjoyable in their own rights, but one is highly classical and literary while the other is more contemporary and easily accessible.

2 Can You Explain the Ending of RahXephon?

October 23rd, 2002

Question:
Can you explain what RahXephon was about or what actually happened at the end?

Answer:
Inevitably comparisons will be drawn between the conclusions of Evangelion and RahXephon, but such are to be expected given the similarities between the two shows in style, theme and intent. The imagery of the finales of both shows as well are bound to create speculation based on their similarity. However, if anything, I personally think that RahXephon has more in common thematically with Shoujo Kakumei Utena, another TV anime that tread the same ground, than it does with Evangelion. On its surface, RahXephon is a complete, logical science-fiction story of Pinocchio- the tale of a puppet who becomes a real boy. If my symbolic analysis is accurate, RahXephon may also be taken as a parable of growth, maturity and most of all self-determination.

Like its predecessors Evangelion and Utena, RahXephon is a story about a youth striving to overcome the insecurities and fears of childhood and develop into a self-aware and self-sufficient adult. Evangelion told the story of a young boy whose self esteem and sense of self worth were so minimal that he was unable to self-actualize and recognize himself as an independent person. Shinji defined himself as the Evangelion Unit 01 pilot, or as his father's son, or as the object of Asuka's projected guilt, but never as Shinji Ikari. Shinji's dilemma is fundamentally different from that of Ayato Kamina, although not entirely foreign to the world of RahXephon. RahXephon is a story about not merely coming into oneself, but fulfilling oneself and, like Utena, revolutionizing the world. While "revolutionizing the world" in Utena meant symbolically exchanging the world of adolescence for that of adulthood, RahXephon plays on both the internal, mental evolution of Ayato Kamina's own psychological world, and on the external level of Ayato physically altering the world around him by effecting the people that surround him.

In the final episodes of RahXephon, Ayato recognizes that he has lost his memories of his past and has refused to recognize the love extended to him by Haruka and Hiroko and Elvy and Megumi. He's always running away because he's uncertain of his own humanity- in effect, afraid of commitment, afraid to be completely Murian or human, child or adult. When he says that either his or Quon's world must be destroyed and absorbed by the other, he symbolically means that he must determine his own future. He can either take his place in adult society and make his mark on the world, or allow himself to be absorbed, marginalized and victimized by society and life itself, represented by Quon. God has set Ayato on the road of life, and it's now time for Ayato himself to choose his own direction and purpose. Literally, as the final episode reveals, Lord Barbem is the deistic god of RahXephon who created the board, set the pieces in motion, then stepped back to watch how the game would play out. Ayato is one of the pieces given the choice of not moving, moving as expected, or making his own rules and moving as he desires.

Quon, in the form of Ishitori, seeks to destroy Ayato in the final episode. Quon may be considered the external influence of the world. In Ayato's mind she explains to him that she is part of him and he, part of her. She also helps him come to realize that he is not alone in the world and that he does have the power to change his own life and change the world around him. At the same time, she is the pressure to grow and mature. If Ayato does not make up his own mind and exert his full potential, he will die, be destroyed. Ayato's choice is to either forcibly exercises his will on the world by accepting the woman he loves and making sacrifices and accepting his own identity, or be squashed underfoot and absorbed into the larger world as a nameless, faceless pawn. In the same way, Ayato's mother Maya urges Haruka to make her own fate, shape her own future. Actually, both Maya and Megumi prod Haruka to fulfill her own dream and chase after what she wants. Just as Ayato is never really alone, Haruka as well has people around her that support her and encourage her to grow and mature and shape her own future by her own will.

Itsuki and Makoto and Maya and Sayoko are all in the same situation as Ayato. They recognize themselves as only roles or clones, not individuals. Their inability to will themselves into being anything than mere clones or pawns results in them not being able to exist in the world. In the Darwinistic world of RahXephon, the strong survive. Characters that don't have the will or determination to force their own personality and desires onto and into the world become nothing more than victims and sacrifices. Characters like Ayato and Haruka and Megumi make an active effort to achieve their desires and express themselves. Itsuki, who sees himself as nothing more than Ayato's useless brother; Makoto, who is obsessed with being a "D"; Maya, who sees herself as nothing more than Ayato's mother; and Sayoko, who cannot accept the fact that she's a clone, but likewise cannot graduate into recognizing herself as an independent individual, do not make efforts to survive or adapt or recognize themselves as valuable, independent people. They do not value their individuality or self-worth and as a result, cease to exist when their self-defined purpose is fulfilled.

Ayato does exert his own will. He recognizes and accepts that he is not alone, is not an island unto himself, and makes a conscious decision to commit to those circumstances. By revealing that Reika Mishima was actually Haruka all along (or at least RahXephon's "astral projection" of Harkua), the animation reveals to the viewer that Ayato has never been totally alone. The spirit of his first love has always been with him and supported him and gives him a reason to break out of his shell. As the omnipresent birds, and the final imagery of Ayato in Ishitori form all strive to convey, Ayato figuratively spreads his wings. When Ayato "tunes the world," he attunes himself to the world by proclaiming his individuality and announcing to the world that he will live and be happy and love who he wants to love. He accepts adulthood by accepting responsibility for himself and committing to the future he wants for himself.

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Shirley.Ambiv@2003-10-01 02:15

这两篇转载自
http://www.animenation.net/news/askjohn_archive.php?PHPSESSID=3109b25353e6fc185f6a07438986ca51

本人翻译;)
第一篇翻译完成

1 Is RahXephon an Evangelion Rip Off?
RahXephon到底是不是照搬EVA??

August 20th, 2002
Question:
Surely you've heard of the debate that's been going on, comparing RahXephon against Eva. Some say it outright rips it off while others say there are similarities but nothing more. I'm curious to see what your take on this is since I'm sure we'll hear about it more once ADV releases this.
Answer:

Overexposure has dulled my enthusiasm for Evangelion over the years, but I still like and respect the show very much. Evangelion offers amazing action choreography and a stunning level of intellectual depth and philosophical pontification. RahXephon isn't nearly as intellectual or theoretical, but is instead much more mysterious and subtle and, I dare say, artistic than Evangelion. To some degree I have trouble comparing them because Evangelion seems to be a show with an agenda, a point to make, while RahXephon is much more a show seemingly intended only to be engaging and stimulating and entertaining.

几年来过多的讨论让我失去了对EVA的热情，不过我仍然喜欢和敬重EVA。EVA包含了了漂亮的动作情节和颇有深度的思想及哲学思想
RahXephon并不是那么的有思想上的深度或是具有理论性，取而代之的是更多的神秘和微妙细节，并且，我敢说，比EVA更具有艺术性
从某种程度上，对比他们比较麻烦，因为EVA像是一部根据日程发展的作品，RahX更迷人，具趣味性，娱乐性。

In that respect, RahXephon is less challenging and therefore easier to enjoy and like than Evangelion. I wouldn't say that RahXephon "rips off" Evangelion, especially considering that Evangelion itself is a psychological parody and theoretical analysis of the giant robot anime genre that's existed since the early 1970s. (In other words, Evangelion is very far from "original" itself.) RahXephon actually borrows far more heavily from Megazone 23 than it does Evangelion, and even Evangelion could be said to be heavily influenced by Megazone 23. I think that in its effort to be purely artistic entertainment, RahXephon knowingly pays homage to both Megazone 23 and Evangelion in the same way Evangelion re-uses the concept of a boy piloting his father's giant robot that was used 20 years before in Mobile Suit Gundam, which itself borrowed the idea from even older shows like Tetsujin 28 and Mazinger.

从这点来说，RahX不那么复杂因此比起EVA更容易欣赏，我不认为RahX照搬了EVA,特别考虑到EVA自身是一部心理学讽刺与和理论分析的大型机器人动画，此类别早在70年代就出现了（换句话说，EVA远离了本身的原创性）。比起EVA，RahX实际上更多地借鉴了Megazone 23这部动画，甚至可以说EVA是深受Megazone 23影响。
我认为成为达到纯艺术性的娱乐作品，RahX蓄意得借鉴了Megazone 23与Evangeion，就像EVA重新使用了20年前儿子驾驶父亲的巨型机器人的概念，Gundam，而这个概念本身又是借鉴自更老的作品像Tetsujin 28和Mazinger。

To summarize, I would say that the similarities between RahXephon and Evangelion are intentional. To summarize in an analogy, RahXephon is to Evangelion as Baz Luhrmann's Romeo+Juliet is to Franco Zeffirelli' Romeo & Juliet. Neither is Shakespeare's original, and both are exceptional productions and each enjoyable in their own rights, but one is highly classical and literary while the other is more contemporary and easily accessible.

总结：我想说RahX与EVA之间的相似点是故意的。
据个例子，就像Baz Luhrmann's Romeo+Juliet 和 Franco Zeffirelli' Romeo & Juliet （这个我不知道>_<），都是从各自角度非常精彩的作品，一部非常经典，具很高文学价值；另一部则更具当代性，更容易理解。

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Shirley.Ambiv@2003-10-01 03:32

2 Can You Explain the Ending of RahXephon?
RahX的结局到底发生了什么，具有什么涵义
October 23rd, 2002

Question:
Can you explain what RahXephon was about or what actually happened at the end?

Answer:
Inevitably comparisons will be drawn between the conclusions of Evangelion and RahXephon, but such are to be expected given the similarities between the two shows in style, theme and intent. The imagery of the finales of both shows as well are bound to create speculation based on their similarity. However, if anything, I personally think that RahXephon has more in common thematically with Shoujo Kakumei Utena, another TV anime that tread the same ground, than it does with Evangelion. On its surface, RahXephon is a complete, logical science-fiction story of Pinocchio- the tale of a puppet who becomes a real boy. If my symbolic analysis is accurate, RahXephon may also be taken as a parable of growth, maturity and most of all self-determination.

不可避免的将要把EVA与RahX的结局相比较。因为两部作品有众多的相同点（风格，主题，目的）
根据他们的相似点，两部作品的终结都创造了思考的空间。然而，比起EVA，我个人认为RahX和Shoujo Kakumei Utena（好像是少女革命…）的论题更为相近。从表面上说，RahX是一部完整的，具有逻辑的皮诺曹从玩偶变成男孩科幻故事，如果我的分析准确的话，RahX也可以认为是一部具有关于成长，成熟以及大部分的自主/自我抉择的寓意的作品

Like its predecessors Evangelion and Utena, RahXephon is a story about a youth striving to overcome the insecurities and fears of childhood and develop into a self-aware and self-sufficient adult. Evangelion told the story of a young boy whose self esteem and sense of self worth were so minimal that he was unable to self-actualize and recognize himself as an independent person. Shinji defined himself as the Evangelion Unit 01 pilot, or as his father's son, or as the object of Asuka's projected guilt, but never as Shinji Ikari. Shinji's dilemma is fundamentally different from that of Ayato Kamina, although not entirely foreign to the world of RahXephon. RahXephon is a story about not merely coming into oneself, but fulfilling oneself and, like Utena, revolutionizing the world. While "revolutionizing the world" in Utena meant symbolically exchanging the world of adolescence for that of adulthood, RahXephon plays on both the internal, mental evolution of Ayato Kamina's own psychological world, and on the external level of Ayato physically altering the world around him by effecting the people that surround him.

就像先辈EVA和Utena，RahX是一部关于年轻人努力克服幼年不安和恐惧并成为一个具有自我意识与自足的成年人的故事。EVA讲述了一个自尊和自我价值非常弱的少年男孩无法发挥自我潜力并认同自己是一个独立的人的故事。Shinji把自己认作EVA01的驾驶员，或是父亲的儿子，或是Asuka发泄的对象，但从不是Shinji Ikari。Shinji的窘境从根本上与Ayato Kamina（神名绫人）不同，虽然不是完全对
RahXephon世界陌生。RahXehpon是一个关于不是仅仅意识到自己，而是实现自己，就像Utena，使世界变革。世界变革在Utena中意味着把青春期的世界变为成人的世界，RahXephon则同时描述了从内在的，心理演变的Ayato的心理世界，和外在的层面上，物质上得改变他周围的世界，通过影响自身周围的人们。

In the final episodes of RahXephon, Ayato recognizes that he has lost his memories of his past and has refused to recognize the love extended to him by Haruka and Hiroko and Elvy and Megumi. He's always running away because he's uncertain of his own humanity- in effect, afraid of commitment, afraid to be completely Murian or human, child or adult. When he says that either his or Quon's world must be destroyed and absorbed by the other, he symbolically means that he must determine his own future. He can either take his place in adult society and make his mark on the world, or allow himself to be absorbed, marginalized and victimized by society and life itself, represented by Quon. God has set Ayato on the road of life, and it's now time for Ayato himself to choose his own direction and purpose. Literally, as the final episode reveals, Lord Barbem is the deistic god of RahXephon who created the board, set the pieces in motion, then stepped back to watch how the game would play out. Ayato is one of the pieces given the choice of not moving, moving as expected, or making his own rules and moving as he desires.

在RahX最终话中，Ayato意识到他丧失了从前的记忆，并拒绝意识到Haruka ，Hiroko，Elvy与Megumi对他的爱。他始终逃避，因为对自己的人性不确定 - 实际上，害怕承担，害怕是完全的Mu族或是人类，孩子或是大人。当他说到他的世界或是Quon的世界必须被摧毁并被另一个世界同化，他象征性得表达了他必须决定他的未来。他可以立足于成人社会中并在世界上有所成就，或是仍由他自己被社会歧视，（由Quon表达）。神为Ayato准备了人生的道路，现在是Ayato自己决定方向的时候。（…………）（关于Barbem和细节看楼顶的帖子，很详细了……）
Ayato自己决定是否进行，按照预料的进行或是按照自己的意愿进行

Quon, in the form of Ishitori, seeks to destroy Ayato in the final episode. Quon may be considered the external influence of the world. In Ayato's mind she explains to him that she is part of him and he, part of her. She also helps him come to realize that he is not alone in the world and that he does have the power to change his own life and change the world around him. At the same time, she is the pressure to grow and mature. If Ayato does not make up his own mind and exert his full potential, he will die, be destroyed. Ayato's choice is to either forcibly exercises his will on the world by accepting the woman he loves and making sacrifices and accepting his own identity, or be squashed underfoot and absorbed into the larger world as a nameless, faceless pawn. In the same way, Ayato's mother Maya urges Haruka to make her own fate, shape her own future. Actually, both Maya and Megumi prod Haruka to fulfill her own dream and chase after what she wants. Just as Ayato is never really alone, Haruka as well has people around her that support her and encourage her to grow and mature and shape her own future by her own will.

在最后一话中，Quon,在Ishitori形态下，要摧毁Ayato。Quon可以被认为是世界中外在的影响。在Ayato的脑海中她对他结识了她是他的一部分，他也是她的一部分。她也帮助了Ayato意识到他在世界上不是孤独的，他有改变他自己命运和改变周围世界的力量。同时，她是成长和成熟的压力。如果Ayato不下决心并且发挥全部千里的话，他会死去，被摧毁。Ayato的抉择是强有力得表达自己的意愿，通过接受他所爱的人并做出牺牲与接受他自我；或是作为一个无名小卒被踩在脚下，吸收入更大的世界。同样的，Ayato母亲Maya驱使Haruka决定她自己的命运，她自己的未来。实际上，Maya和Megumi都激励Haruka达成她自己的梦想。正如Ayato从不是孤独的，Haruka周围也有支持她鼓励她成长，成熟，通过自己的意愿实现自己的未来。

Itsuki and Makoto and Maya and Sayoko are all in the same situation as Ayato. They recognize themselves as only roles or clones, not individuals. Their inability to will themselves into being anything than mere clones or pawns results in them not being able to exist in the world. In the Darwinistic world of RahXephon, the strong survive. Characters that don't have the will or determination to force their own personality and desires onto and into the world become nothing more than victims and sacrifices. Characters like Ayato and Haruka and Megumi make an active effort to achieve their desires and express themselves. Itsuki, who sees himself as nothing more than Ayato's useless brother; Makoto, who is obsessed with being a "D"; Maya, who sees herself as nothing more than Ayato's mother; and Sayoko, who cannot accept the fact that she's a clone, but likewise cannot graduate into recognizing herself as an independent individual, do not make efforts to survive or adapt or recognize themselves as valuable, independent people. They do not value their individuality or self-worth and as a result, cease to exist when their self-defined purpose is fulfilled.

Itsuki ，Makoto ， Maya ， Sayoko 的处境都和Ayato相同。他们仅把自己人做角色或是复制品，而不是个人。他们未能发挥意愿认识到自己不仅仅是克隆或是棋子使得他们不能存在于世界上。RahX世界中就像达尔文的理论，适者生存。
像Ayato ， Haruka ， Megumi 这些角色努力得实现他们的愿望并表达出来。
Itsuki，只把自己当作Ayato没用的哥哥；Makoto，困扰于作为"D"；Maya，仅把自己当作Ayato的母亲；Sayoko，无法接受她自己是克隆的事实。
无法渐渐认识到自己独立的个体，没有努力去接受，认识到自己是有价值的独立的人，无法继续存在。

Ayato does exert his own will. He recognizes and accepts that he is not alone, is not an island unto himself, and makes a conscious decision to commit to those circumstances. By revealing that Reika Mishima was actually Haruka all along (or at least RahXephon's "astral projection" of Harkua), the animation reveals to the viewer that Ayato has never been totally alone. The spirit of his first love has always been with him and supported him and gives him a reason to break out of his shell. As the omnipresent birds, and the final imagery of Ayato in Ishitori form all strive to convey, Ayato figuratively spreads his wings. When Ayato "tunes the world," he attunes himself to the world by proclaiming his individuality and announcing to the world that he will live and be happy and love who he wants to love. He accepts adulthood by accepting responsibility for himself and committing to the future he wants for himself.

Ayato确实努力表达了他自己的意愿。他认识并接受了自己并不是孤独的，在各种情况下做出了清醒的决定。
从后来我们知道，Mishima实际上从一开始就是Haruka（或至少是Haruka的RahXephon星的映射），动画暗示了读者Ayato从来没有完全的孤独过。他第一次的爱的记忆始终伴随着他，支持他并给与他理由打破他的躯壳。。正如无所不在的鸟儿，与最终Ayato处于Ishitori状态下意象所要表达的，Ayato象征性得张开翅膀。当Ayato“调律世界”时，他使得自己与世界调和（通过声明自己的个体和向世界宣布他会快乐得活下去并爱他所爱的人。通过接受了自己的责任与自己对未来的使命，他真正了成年了。

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