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abbc@2009-11-10 01:05

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你把科学和人性割裂了，也绝对化科学的力量了

科学无法解释爱情;)

我并没有绝对化科学的力量，我说了现在的人类依然在宗教中寻找真理。

人性很重要一面就是非理性，这和科学是相违背的。

科学解释的是可以被称为“爱情”的一系列行为。关键在于你同不同意人具有“灵性”。
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catflow@2009-11-10 01:15

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我并没有绝对化科学的力量，我说了现在的人类依然在宗教中寻找真理。

人性很重要一面就是非理性，这和科学是相违背的。

科学解释的是可以被称为“爱情”的一系列行为。关键在于你同不同意人具有“灵性”。


科学无法解释爱情行为，因为里头没有能够支撑为科学的逻辑链
现在总结出来的与其说是理论不如说是破碎的现象

话说，这有什么关系啊？[/han]
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abbc@2009-11-10 01:22

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科学无法解释爱情行为，因为里头没有能够支撑为科学的逻辑链
现在总结出来的与其说是理论不如说是破碎的现象

话说，这有什么关系啊？[/han]

Anthropologist Helen Fisher, Ph.D., in her book “Why We Love,” [18] uses brain scans to show that love is the product of a chemical reaction in the brain. Norepinephrine and dopamine, among other chemicals, are responsible for excitement and bliss in humans as well as non-human animals. She concludes that these reactions have a genetic basis, and therefore love is a natural drive as powerful as hunger.

Anthropologist John Townsend, in his book “What Women Want, What Men Want,” [19] takes the genetic basis of love one step further by identifying how the sexes are different in their predispositions. His compilation of various research projects concludes that men are susceptible to youth and beauty, whereas women are susceptible to status and security. These differences are part of a natural selection process where males seek many healthy women of childbearing age which will mother progenies, whereas women seek men who are willing and able to take care of them and their children.

Other researchers have focused on opposing forces in human love. Psychologist Karen Horney, M.D., in her article “The Problem of the Monogamous Ideal” [20] indicates that the overestimation of love leads to disillusionment; the desire to possess the partner results in the partner wanting to escape; and the taboos against &&& result in unfulfillment. Disillusionment plus the desire to escape plus unfulfillment result in a secret hostility, which causes the other partner to feel alienated. Secret hostility in one and secret alienation in the other cause the partners to secretly hate each other. This secret hate often leads one or the other or both to seek love objects outside the marriage or relationship.

Psychologist Harold Bessell, Ph.D, in his book “The Love Test” [21] reconciles the opposing forces noted by the above researchers and shows that there are two factors that determine the quality of a relationship. People are drawn together by a force which he calls “romantic attraction,” which is a combination of genetic and cultural factors. This force may be weak or strong, and may be felt to different degrees by each of the two love partners. The other factor is “emotional maturity,” which is the degree to which a person is capable of providing good treatment in a love relationship. Thus an immature person is more likely to overestimate love, become disillusioned, and have an affair, whereas a mature person is more likely to see the relationship in realistic terms, and act constructively to work out problems.

Research by the University of Pavia suggests that romantic love lasts for about a year, and then it is replaced by a more stable form of love called companionate love.[22] In companionate love, changes occur from the early stage of love to when the relationship becomes more established and romantic feelings seem to end. However research by the Stony Brook University in New York suggests that some couples keep romantic feelings alive for much longer.[23]
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abbc@2009-11-10 01:26

一部分翻译：
Helen Fisher通过大脑扫描显示了爱是大脑中化学反应的结果。Norepinephrine，dopamine和其它化学物能够刺激人类和动物。因此爱是类似于饥饿的自然行为。

。。。

其它的自己看吧。。。
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catflow@2009-11-10 01:34

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Anthropologist Helen Fisher, Ph.D., in her book “Why We Love,” .......................................................However research by the Stony Brook University in New York suggests that some couples keep romantic feelings alive for much longer.[23]


你自己数数这段话里就包括了几种理论吧

繁殖冲动，伙伴关系，动物本能.....
所谓解释爱情的东西也就是心理学上那几个万金由:D
你觉得人类就是这样子行动的？
那经济学家，社会学家，伦理学家在干什么的

心理学本身就不是一个成熟的学科，你还搬这些根本停留在现象界的结论
真是无聊:Zz:

PS：顺便说下文章出处，偶尔看看科普文也不错
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不为什么@2009-11-10 01:39

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abbc@2009-11-10 01:40

人类的行为是现象，但是现在连具体的化学物都提出来了。

References

1. ^ Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary
2. ^ AskOxford: romance
3. ^ Lisa Diamond (2004). "Emerging Perspectives On Distinctions Between Romantic Love and Sexual Desire". Current Directions in Psychological Science 13 (3): 116–119. doi:10.1111/j.0963-7214.2004.00287.x. http://www.psych.utah.edu/people/faculty/diamond/Publications/Emerging%20Perspectives.pdf.
4. ^ Lisa Diamond (2003). "What does Sexual Orientation Orient? A Biobehavioral Model Distinguishing Romantic Love and Sexual Desire". Psychological Review 110 (1): 173–192. doi:10.1037/0033-295X.110.1.173. http://www.psych.utah.edu/people/faculty/diamond/Publications/What%20does%20Sexual%20Orientation%20Orient.pdf.
5. ^ Power and Sexual Fear in Primitive Societies Margrit Eichler Journal of Marriage and the Family, Vol. 37, No. 4, Special Section: Macrosociology of the Family (Nov., 1975), pp. 917-926)
6. ^ Levi-Strauss pioneered the scientific study of the betrothal of cross cousins in such societies, as a way of solving such technical problems as the avunculate and the incest taboo (Introducing Levi-Strauss, p. 22-35.
7. ^ The Marriage of Duke Vincentio and Isabella Norman Nathan Shakespeare Quarterly > Vol. 7, No. 1 (Winter, 1956), pp. 43-45
8. ^ Romance In Marriage: Perspectives, Pitfalls, and Principles, by Jason S. Carroll http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwfamily/archives/2003/Carroll.Jason.pdf
9. ^ Middle Ages.com - Courtly Love
10. ^ Courly Love and the origins of romance
11. ^ A History of Women: Silences of the Middle Ages
12. ^ The Art of Courtly Love by Andreas Capellanus
13. ^ Symposium 189d ff.
14. ^ In works such as A Theatre of Envy and Things Hidden Since the Foundation of The World, Girard presents this mostly original theory, though finding a major precedent in Shakespeare, on the structure of rivalry, claiming that it, rather than Freud's theory of the primal horde, is the origin of religion and ethics, and all aspects of sexual relations.
15. ^ The Missing Mother: The Oedipal Rivalries of René Girard. Toril Moi, Diacritics Vol. 12, No. 2, Cherchez la Femme Feminist Critique/Feminine Text (Summer, 1982), pp. 21-31
16. ^ A contemporary irony toward romance is perhaps the expression "throwing game" or simply game. In Marxism the romantic might be considered an example of alienation.
17. ^ Essays and Aphorisms
18. ^ Helen Fisher, 2004, “Why We Love” Henry Holt and Company LLC, 175 Fifth Ave. New York, NY 10010, ISBN 0-8050-7796-0
19. ^ John Townsend, 1998, “What Women Want, What Men Want” Oxford University Press, United Kingdom ISBN 9780195114881
20. ^ Karen Horney, 1967, “Feminine Psychology,” W.W. Norton & Company, Inc., New, York, NY ISBN 0-3933-1080-9
21. ^ Harold Bessell, 1984 “The Love Test,” Warner Books, 666 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10103, ISBN 0-446-32582-1
22. ^ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4478040.stm
23. ^ http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/01/04/true.love.found/index.html
24. ^ Soul Stories, Gary Zukav-- Note: This quotation and or source may be partially or completely inaccurate.
25. ^ "Sexual" is a loaded term, and "spiritual" is vague. By saying romance is always a form of sexual love, it is meant that while it tries to transcend these things, it never escapes their inclusion entirely and it proceeds, either in some sense away from these things in terms of origin, or toward them as in some sense subordinate to &&& as a goal, though drawn to mental and spiritual qualities.
26. ^ After the emotivist turn in philosophy, in other words, there was a pressure to reduce moral judgment to some kind of aesthetic judgment. Romantic love moves beyond bodily things on a certain assumption. In other words, any palpable aspect of the person can be cynically chalked up to appearance. What is assumed is not merely that personality is of value in a more profound sense than the body. (This is a truism easy to defend given the obvious fact of the mind as the most complicated aspect of the person and where he or she is encountered in the most distinctive and compelling way). Rather, the critical assumption is that the personality is attractive in a fundamentally different sense from the body as well. This, then is the question of spirituality in romance, taking into account many religious, philosophical and historical views. For example, in realizing that romantic love can never be inherently spiritual, one supposedly passes to a higher spiritual plane, beyond the worldly, which Buddhism may answer with the notion of anatman.
27. ^ "In the first place, I find it comical that all men are in love and want to be in love, and yet one never can get any illumination upon the question what the lovable, i.e., the proper object of love, really is." (Stages p. 48). Nietzsche, while he might answer negatively to the platonic theory of love as having a transcendent object, being a naturalist, was more interested intellectually in marriage than in romance, as evinced by the many aphorisms on marriage in Human All Too Human. In any case, Nietzsche is often taken as diammetrically opposed to Kierkegaard, of whom there is often supposed mention in Thus Spake Zarathustra alongside Leo Tolstoy. (Shakespeare raises a similar criticism about the meaning of love in Measure for Measure, and Love's Labors Lost is often considered Shakespeare's encomium on love.
28. ^ Beethoven, however, is the case in point. He had brief relationships with only a few women, always of the nobility. His one actual engagement was broken off mainly because of his conflicts with noble society as a group. This is evidenced in his biography, such as in Maynard Solomon's account.
29. ^ see Alex Comfort.
30. ^ Cf. Hegel's Philosophy of History, or womenintheancientworld.com.
31. ^ Catechism of the Catholic Church

Further reading

* Kierkegaard, Søren. Stages on Life's Way. Transl. Walter Lowrie, D.D. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1940.
* Levi-Strauss, Claude. Structural Anthropology. London: Allen Lane, 1968; New York: Penguin Books, 1994. Structural Anthropology. (volume 2) London: Allen Lane, 1977; New York: Peregrine Books 1976.
* Nietzsche, Friedrich. Human, All Too Human. Transl. R.J. Hollingdale. Cambridge: Cambridge University, 2nd Edition, 1996.
* Wiseman, Boris. Introducing Levi-Strauss. New York: Totem Books, 1998.
* Denis de Rougemont, Love in the Western World. Pantheon Books, 1956.
* Francesco Alberoni, Falling in love, New York, Random House, 1983.
* Brad Hayden, "falling in love" Canada, Random place, 2007 Made possible by Cora-lee Reid.
* de Munck, Victor, and Andrey Korotayev. Sexual Equality and Romantic Love: A Reanalysis of Rosenblatt's Study on the Function of Romantic Love // Cross-Cultural Research 33 (1999): 265–277.
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catflow@2009-11-10 01:48

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人类的行为是现象，但是现在连具体的化学物都提出来了。

References

1. ^ Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary
2. ^ AskOxford: romance
3. ^ Lisa Diamond (2004). "Emerging Perspectives On Distinctions Between Romantic Love and Sexual Desire". Current Directions in Psychological Science 13 (3): 116–119. doi:10.1111/j.0963-7214.2004.00287.x. http://www.psych.utah.edu/people/faculty/diamond/Publications/Emerging%20Perspectives.pdf.
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* de Munck, Victor, and Andrey Korotayev. Sexual Equality and Romantic Love: A Reanalysis of Rosenblatt's Study on the Function of Romantic Love // Cross-Cultural Research 33 (1999): 265–277.


但愿你明白了我说的话[/han]
你把大脑里的物质全放到这个list里也毫无用处
心理学就算借助化学，它自身的粗糙性决定了解释瓶颈

就算你到马路上拉一个心理学教授他也不会否认这一点的
就这水平啊~:Zz:
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abbc@2009-11-10 01:55

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但愿你明白了我说的话[/han]
你把大脑里的物质全放到这个list里也毫无用处
心理学就算借助化学，它自身的粗糙性决定了解释瓶颈

就算你到马路上拉一个心理学教授他也不会否认这一点的
就这水平啊~:Zz:

心理学再粗糙，它还是目前最可靠的工具。难道你更加愿意用哲学去解释爱？
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catflow@2009-11-10 02:05

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心理学再粗糙，它还是目前最可靠的工具。难道你更加愿意用哲学去解释爱？



哈哈哈
不成熟的心理学才更可怕，波普尔就说过一些心理学根本就是伪科学:rolleyes:

你自己不是说也有人寻求宗教嘛？[/han]
用激素和内分泌解释难道比哲学就可信么？对方是人不是液压器哈....

话说爱情这种本身就是私人体验，感受性的，你干嘛有这么强烈解释愿望？
每个人和每个人不同啦，找到了共性的经验弄出了爱情理论，世界上也是不存在【全部女性心理攻略】的:D

原来这是光棍节联动....？
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