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[From Hydrogenaudio] lame3.90.3 VS lame3.96 final 音质比较

zijin1983@2004-06-04 10:48

编码器：
lame3.90.3
lame3.96 final（在这次测试中，也有人使用了beta版本。）

参数：
VBR/ABR
(~256kbps) 3.96 --preset extreme vs. 3.90.3 --alt-preset extreme
(~210kbps) 3.96 --preset standard vs. 3.90.3 --alt-preset standard
(~160kbps) 3.96 -V 4 vs. 3.96 --preset 160 vs. 3.90.3 --alt-preset 160*
(~128kbps) 3.96 -V 5 vs. 3.96 --preset 128 vs. 3.90.3 --alt-preset 128*

CBR
(320kbps) 3.96 --preset insane vs. 3.90.3 --alt-preset insane
3.96 --preset cbr vs. 3.90.3 --alt-preset cbr


暂时的result（测试尚未结束）：
VBR/ABR


~ 256kbps
----------------------- 3.96 --p extreme vs. 3.90.3 --ap exteme
3.96 --p extreme > 3.90.3 --ap extreme :: drone_short :: freakngoat :: 0x verified so far
---------------------------------------------------
3.96b1 --p extreme < 3.90.3 --ap extreme :: Lazy_Jones :: owowo :: 0x verified so far

----------------------- 3.96 --p extreme vs. 3.96 -V 1
3.96 --p extreme < 3.96 -V 1 :: drone_short :: freakngoat :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*



~ 210kbps
------------- 3.96 --p standard vs. 3.90.3 --ap standard
3.96b1** --p standard > 3.90.3 --ap standard :: spahm :: Pio2001 :: 1x verified by Wombat
3.96b1** --p standard > 3.90.3 --ap standard :: Birds :: Wombat :: 0x verified so far
3.96b1** --p standard > 3.90.3 --ap standard :: hokuscaredpiano :: Moitah :: 0x verified so far
3.96b1** --p standard > 3.90.3 --ap standard :: Lazy_Jones :: owowo :: 1x verified by freakngoat
3.96 --p standard > 3.90.3 --ap standard :: fatboy :: High Fidelity :: 1x verified 2Bdecided
3.96 --p standard > 3.90.3 --ap standard :: Drone_short :: freakngoat :: 0x verified so far
3.96 --p standard > 3.90.3 --ap standard :: awe32_20sec :: 2Bdecided :: 0x verified so far
---------------------------------------------------
3.96b2 --p standard = 3.90.3 --ap standard :: 41_30sec :: ViPER1313 :: 0x verified so far
---------------------------------------------------
3.96b2 --p standard < 3.90.3 --ap standard :: myf_4sec :: LoFiYo :: 0x verified so far
3.96b2 --p standard < 3.90.3 --ap standard :: Hustlejet :: harashin :: 0x verified so far
3.96b2 --p standard < 3.90.3 --ap standard :: Chanchan1 :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
3.96b2 --p standard < 3.90.3 --ap standard :: Hosokawa___Atem_lied :: harashin :: 0x verified so far
3.96 --p standard < 3.90.3 --ap standard :: 41_30sec :: Gecko :: 0x verified so far

--------- 3.96 --p fast standard vs. 3.90.3 --ap fast standard
3.96 --p fast standard > 3.90.3 --ap fast standard :: myf_4sec :: LoFiYo :: 0x verified so far


~ 160kbps
---------------------------------------------------
3.96b2 -V 4 < 3.90.3 --ap 160 :: myf_4sec :: LoFiYo :: 0x verified so far


~ 128kbps
-------------------- 3.96 -V 5 vs. 3.96 --p 128
3.96 -V 5 > 3.96 --p 128 :: Atrain :: ff123 :: 2x verified by tigre, [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 > 3.96 --p 128 :: BachS1007 :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
3.96 -V 5 > 3.96 --p 128 :: FloorEssence :: ff123 :: 2x verified by tigre, [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 > 3.96 --p 128 :: Layla :: ff123 :: 2x verified by tigre, [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 > 3.96 --p 128 :: MidnightVoyage :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 -V 5 > 3.96 --p 128 :: Waiting :: ff123 :: 2x verified by [proxima], tigre
3.96 -V 5 > 3.96 --p 128 :: Blackwater :: tigre :: 1x verified by [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 > 3.96 --p 128 :: LifeShatters :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
---------------------------------------------------
3.96 -V 5 < 3.96 --p 128 :: BeautySlept :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
3.96 -V 5 < 3.96 --p 128 :: Blackwater :: ff123 :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 -V 5 < 3.96 --p 128 :: TheSource :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 -V 5 < 3.96 --p 128 :: LisztBMinor :: tigre :: 1x verified by [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 < 3.96 --p 128 :: BachS1007 :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far

-------------------- 3.96 -V 5 vs. 3.90.3 --ap 128
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: fatboy :: FatBoyFin :: 1x verified by High Fidelity
3.96b2 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Its_me :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
3.96b2 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: entierren con rumba :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Atrain :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: BeautySlept :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: FloorEssence :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Layla :: ff123 :: 2x verified by tigre, [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: LifeShatters :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: MidnightVoyage :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Thear1 :: ff123 :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Waiting :: ff123 :: 2x verified by [proxima], tigre
3.96 -V 5 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Blackwater :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
---------------------------------------------------
3.96 -V 5 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: BachS1007 :: tigre :: 1x verified by [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Blackwater :: ff123 :: 1x verified by [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: TheSource :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 -V 5 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: LisztBMinor :: tigre :: 1x verified by [proxima]
3.96 -V 5 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Atrain :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far
3.96 -V 5 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: FloorEssence :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far

-------------------- 3.96 --p 128 vs. 3.90.3 --ap 128
3.96 --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Atrain :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: BeautySlept :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
3.96 --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: FloorEssence :: ff123 :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Layla :: ff123 :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: LifeShatters :: ff123 :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: MidnightVoyage :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96 --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Thear1 :: ff123 :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Waiting :: ff123 :: 1x verified by tigre
3.96° --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: applaud :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96° --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: campestre :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96° --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: fatboy :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96° --p 128 > 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Preecho1 :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
---------------------------------------------------
3.96 --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Waiting :: ViPER1313 :: 1x verified by [proxima]
3.96 --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: BachS1007 :: tigre :: 1x verified by Atrain :: [proxima]
3.96 --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: FloorEssence :: tigre :: 1x verified by Atrain :: [proxima]
3.96 --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Layla :: tigre :: 1x verified by [proxima]
3.96 --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: LifeShatters :: tigre :: 0x verified so far
3.96 --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: LisztBMinor :: tigre :: 1x verified by [proxima]
3.96 --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Blackwater :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far
3.96° --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: ct_reference :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96° --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: fall :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96° --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: rebel :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 --p 128 < 3.90.3 --ap 128 :: Atrain :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far

---------- 3.96 -V 5 --athaa-sensitivity 1 vs. 3.96 -V 5
3.96 -V 5 --a-s 1 > 3.96 -V 5 :: Atrain :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 -V 5 --a-s 1 > 3.96 -V 5 :: Blackwater :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 -V 5 --a-s 1 > 3.96 -V 5 :: BachS1007 :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 -V 5 --a-s 1 > 3.96 -V 5 :: LisztBMinor :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far + missing ABX results*
3.96 -V 5 --a-s 1 > 3.96 -V 5 :: Bayle___Jeita_or_Waters___Murmur___Etching :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far
3.96 -V 5 --a-s 1 > 3.96 -V 5 :: Track01__Avison___Concerto_Grosso_30_sec :: [proxima] :: 0x verified so far



CBR


320kbps
no results so far


160kbps
no results so far


128kbps
---------------------------------------------------
3.96 --p cbr 128 < 3.90.3 --ap cbr 128 :: 41_30sec :: ViPER1313 :: 1x verified by SometimesWarrior, Brainchild4010
3.96 --p cbr 128 < 3.90.3 --ap cbr 128 :: Waiting :: ViPER1313 :: 0x verified so far
3.96 --p cbr 128 < 3.90.3 --ap cbr 128 :: Layla :: ViPER1313 :: 0x verified so far

* If a result doesn't match the minimum requirements (-> 4. in 1st post), the result is 'greyed out' until the missing data is provided or someone else confirms the results. If your result isn't included in this list at all, we're either too slow, or there's too much missing (ABX results, link to the sample, clear statment which version is better, information about lame version/setting used etc.). If you want to provide missing information, do it in a new post to ensure that we notice it.

** Results where 3.96 beta 1 --preset standard outperformed 3.90.3 --alt-preset standard were kept as the only difference between 3.96 beta1 and 3.96 final is the increased minimum bitrate, so no regression should be possible.

° Results by [proxima] with past-beta-2 internal version that should give results identical with 3.96 final


由于测试仍在进行中，有兴趣的同学可以点击这里。
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zijin1983@2004-06-04 10:49

看来外国人是比较喜欢128kbps或者vbr/abr啊……
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MONO@2004-06-04 14:20

昏,现在FOOBAR2000的主页是什么?
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Lupin the 3rd@2004-06-04 14:40

mp3是当今硬件支持最广泛的有损压缩格式 此外已经没有优势
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zijin1983@2004-06-04 15:02

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最初由 MONO 发布
昏,现在FOOBAR2000的主页是什么?


不知道呢…… 我都是到case的网页down最新版foobar的…… case那边…… bt了点，两三天就有更新…… 但是foobar的版本号还是那个…… 0.8.2

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最初由 Lupin the 3rd 发布
mp3是当今硬件支持最广泛的有损压缩格式 此外已经没有优势


最广泛的硬件支持就是mp3的最大优势啦……

其实我的最爱是MPC…… 但是我在国内还没找到一种便携式播放器是直接支持mpc的…… 泪泪~
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MONO@2004-06-04 15:36

再昏,MPC我已经放弃了,人品SIMPLE太多
全压FLAC了
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MONO@2004-06-04 15:40

的确MPC的1.15R Q7是现在最好的有损编码
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lohengramn@2004-06-04 15:43

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最初由 MONO 发布
昏,现在FOOBAR2000的主页是什么?


不是www.foobar2000.org了吗？
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zijin1983@2004-06-04 16:17

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最初由 MONO 发布
再昏,MPC我已经放弃了,人品SIMPLE太多
全压FLAC了


各人喜好而已~

讨论音质到了这份上的话，不是什么音频技术问题了…… 是人们的心理问题…… -_- 始终是这样认为的……
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Frey@2004-06-04 17:17

最好？毕竟一般音频压缩设计者所追求的一定是一个更好的听觉模型，使用之可以在一个较低的比特率上得到较好的听觉效果。事实上一个好的压缩算法也可以保证大部分人都听不出什么明显的区别……

MPC么……其实我说就是反正都已经那么大了，不如干脆APE或者镜像算了……
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MONO@2004-06-04 21:33

mpc的RP SIMPLE的确多多,HYGEN上有很多此类的帖子
个人看下来基本上电子乐的还是不行
另外,FOOBAR的MPC插件声音太干,WINAMP我是再也不会用了..
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ConanAi@2004-06-05 13:20

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最初由 MONO 发布
的确MPC的1.15R Q7是现在最好的有损编码


why不是 q10？
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MONO@2004-06-05 23:33

Q7有RP的SIMPLE,Q10一样压不好,一味的提升吗率,音质改善小于1%
那体积情愿使用无损编码了
Q8 -MS 15就是MPC实际上最高的编码采样
1.15R给了Q7优化,1.14在Q5,Q8最强
但是1.14的Q8还是比不过1.15的Q7,另外Q8的1.15R音质还不如Q7,有失真
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h83@2004-06-06 09:15

我也不清楚mpc有什么bug,都是q10压完了看频谱，对比发现和原wav区别很小。
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MONO@2004-06-06 11:58

q7就可以做到了,只有q5 q6做不到而已
MPC的RP SIMPLE,hydrogen上很多帖子,都是FLAC下载,自己比较

压缩的相当糟糕的个人认为还是电子乐,比如SEED COMPLETLE BEST这张
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