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[心眼]菜鸟学习Bossa Nova,Indie,Twee

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几位阿姨大叔很喜欢这些的,所以就以尊敬长辈的心情去学习了一把,得读书笔记如下:

Indie pop (Indie rock)

Indie rock is rock music that falls within the indie music movement. The term is sometimes used interchangeably with indie music as a whole, though more specifically implies that the music meets the criteria of being rock, as opposed to indie pop, indie dance or other possible matchups. These criteria vary from an emphasis on rock instrumentation (electric guitars, bass guitar and live drums) to more abstract (and debatable) rockist constructions of authenticity.

What is commonly known as indie rock is descended from what was known as alternative rock during the 1980s; this name refers to the fact that it was an alternative to mainstream rock. Alternative bands of the time, in turn, were influenced by the punk rock and New Wave movements of the 1970s and early 1980s. During the first half of the 1990s, alternative music, led by grunge bands such as Nirvana and Pearl Jam, broke into the mainstream, achieving commercial chart success; the alternative genre became commercialised, as mainstream success attracted major-label investment and commercially-oriented or manufactured acts with a formulaic, conservative approach. With this, the meaning of the label "alternative" changed away from its original, more countercultural, meaning, and the term "indie rock" fell into greater use.

"Indie rock" is not strictly a genre of music (given that musical style and independence are not always correlated), but is often used as an umbrella term covering a wide range of artists and styles, connected by some degree of allegiance to the values of underground culture and (usually) describable as rock and roll. Genres or subgenres often associated with indie rock include emo, lo-fi, post-rock, garage punk and folk-punk, to list but a few; other related (and sometimes overlapping) categories include alternative rock and indie pop.

Typically, indie artists place a premium on maintaining complete control of their music and careers, often releasing albums on their own independent record labels and relying on touring, word-of-mouth, and airplay on independent or college radio stations for promotion. Some artists end up signing to major labels, though often on favourable terms won by their prior independent success.

一句话小结:就是非主流rock,乐人不依靠唱片公司自己发行唱片,自己支配一切. 饭岛真理也是这一支的阿...

Twee

Twee (or Twee pop) is a type of indie rock that is known for simple, sweet melodies and lyrics, often with jangling guitars. The genre began in 1986, when New Musical Express released C86, a compilation of bands including the Pastels and Primal Scream; see 1986 in music.

In the United Kingdom, where twee pop was most popular, Sarah Records was home to most of the bands in the field, including Heavenly and the Orchids. In the United States, the movement was championed by K Records out of Olympia, Washington and was headed by the band Beat Happening.

"Twee", a baby-talk alteration of "sweet", is a British English term for something that is overly sweet or knowingly cute.

一句话小结: Twee是Indie rock的一个分支,其特征是甜,和简单

The more punk-influenced variants of twee pop are also sometimes referred to as cuddlecore.
Bossa Nova

Created in Brazil in the late 1950s during a period of political change and economical growth, bossa nova has been often described as the music of the Brazilian middle and upper classes. This music style originated in the wealthy neighborhoods that sprouted along the beaches of the city of Rio de Janeiro and both its music and lyrics were composed by middle and upper-class musicians and marketed to the same economic group. For this reason, bossa nova was criticized by some for emphasizing a carefree way of living that little resembled the life of most Brazilians, the great majority of which belonged to the working class.

Indeed, bossa nova compositions often spoke of love, the beach, and beautiful women and seemed to be a depiction of the author’s bohemian life rather than a tale of Brazilians’ daily struggles as usually happened with samba, a music genre popular among the working class. “The Girl from Ipanema,” which became popular outside of Brazil both in its original Portuguese form and in translation, is a perfect example of the uncommitted quality of bossa nova songs. “The Girl from Ipanema” is nothing more than the composer’s description of a woman walking down towards the beach, the sweet way in which she moves and how beautiful she is, culminating with the author’s statement that she’s the most beautiful thing he’s ever seen go by. The music that accompanied the first wave of bossa nova lyrics, while unique, used the same altered chords found in jazz music combined with the drum beat characteristic of samba.

Perhaps ironically, bossa nova, the music style associated with complacence, is also considered responsible for the birth of the protest music of the 1960s that denounced the political uproar Brazil found itself in that led to the military coup of 1964. Critical of the insipid character of bossa nova lyrics and influenced by the precarious political and economic situation of Brazil, artists started using music to voice their opinions and as a vehicle to teach the largely uneducated Brazilian population about their country’s current social, political and economic status.

Following the coup of 1964, a new generation of bossa nova musicians emerged. The music they composed was radically different from that created by the first generation of bossa nova musicians and depicted the plight of the Brazilian population and denounced the country’s newly installed military government. In addition, this new type of bossa nova music had a nationalistic character that its predecessor lacked. This new wave of bossa nova musicians not only sang about the hardships of Brazilians, especially about the life in the drought-stricken northeastern region of the country; the music they composed to accompany their lyrics also made use of traditional Brazilian instruments and borrowed from other genres of Brazilian music like the type of samba heard in the urban slums. But in spite of the differences that distinguish them from one another, both styles of bossa nova were intrinsically linked to Brazil’s history and reflected the historic period in which they were created, one born during a time of growth and the other created in a time of struggle.

一句话小结:就是50年代巴西上流腐败音乐...和现在的反政府革命音乐....跟桑巴有千丝万缕的联系

最后一个我kuso了...
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崩溃搞中文来吧

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…………………… [黑綫] ……………………

大叔控们果然是最危险的团体啊啊啊啊啊啊~~



一致同意楼上的观点…………:D

所以偶要做大叔…………hoho~~~~~~~~~~~


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那些温柔的BOSSA手风琴大叔挖~~~~~泪奔~

…………………… [黑綫] ……………………

大叔控们果然是最危险的团体啊啊啊啊啊啊~~

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正反耳光抽:o


打断一下,你有多少个MJ:p,请继续抽...

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满足你了


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受大叔欢迎吧:rolleyes:

:o 偶只心大叔受~~

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受大叔欢迎吧:rolleyes:

:o 偶只心大叔受~~


借机哭TOKYO BOSSANOVA!!!! TTATT 狂想去JP看挖~~
那些温柔的BOSSA手风琴大叔挖~~~~~泪奔~


你的头像已表明你是伪大叔腔,你是GL女.......,觉悟吧!

偏题了,抱歉:p

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在国内GL也是相当受欢迎的。


受大叔欢迎吧:rolleyes:

:o 偶只心大叔受~~


借机哭TOKYO BOSSANOVA!!!! TTATT 狂想去JP看挖~~
那些温柔的BOSSA手风琴大叔挖~~~~~泪奔~

DON'T BREAK MY HEART
物是人非啊。。。。。。
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Indie和RY一样,都是一种生活态度……喵咔咔咔~~~~~~((m~ ~)m飘走继续听girl-pop


一 一,RY,不男不女,这令我想到中性美,再回望之前热闹的超级女生评选,请容许我任性一下,在国内GL也是相当受欢迎的。

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Indie和RY一样,都是一种生活态度……喵咔咔咔~~~~~~((m~ ~)m飘走继续听girl-pop

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3.关于独立 Indie

曾听不少人提起过Indies band,说Indies band做出的音乐就叫Indie music独立音乐了。

偶说:

Indie有以发行渠道而言的;也有以音乐制作上的独立姿态而言的。
有些Indie Label独立厂牌的作品会交给Major代为生产与发行;
而一些制作主流音乐的非Major厂牌出的碟也被列为Indie是不正确的。
有的Indies band是向往主流市场的,苦于音乐制作的观念已不合时宜,或不够号召力,因此不会被Major所选择。

偶认为所谓的Indie还是应该从作品的音乐态度是否是Indie上去分辨,发行渠道不能作为重要依据。就像上面说的那样,真正的Indie music是从来不会改变它的音乐取向而去迎合主流听众的。

需要补充的是任何音乐的情绪都会有阴暗色调与阳光色调的分别,Post Punk音乐也不例外。

Indie music专指Post Punk的亮色调部分,goth rock哥特摇滚是Post Punk的暗色调,所以不属于Indie music。

还有要知道的是,独立音乐人从不会使用单一手法去做音乐,否则就没有其独立创新的意义了~


"真正的Indie music是从来不会改变它的音乐取向而去迎合主流听众的"这个赞,可以想象为何I一些ndie Music的CD总是那么朴素不带歌词(总要在网上掏歌词:p)

因为接触到的Indie music多以Indies band呈现,一个人的DIY总觉得不如一个Team来得精彩

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不喜欢PUNK 想了解一些GOTHIC METAL....

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以前的老帖了,欢迎板砖~

1.关于另类 Alternative

Alternative 这个词音乐上的解释应该就源于其词义中的(Espousing or reflecting values that are different from those of the establishment)。所谓标新立异,通俗来讲就是另类。很模糊的音乐名词。其实就是那些主流乐评最早创造出来掩盖其对音乐所作评语的仓促和对该音乐无知部分的手段。(仅针对国内主流乐评文的不严谨而言)
从另一个方面来看,就算是主流音乐也在不断求新求异求变求有个性,用于形容那其中的标新立异的话,Alternative当然也合适。总之,Alternative这个词在主流乐评间已被更大量使用了。


2.另类摇滚 Alternative Rock


独立摇滚 Indie Rock

Alternative Rock是主流乐评界最早用来泛称从80年代中期到90年代中期出现的Post Punk后朋克乐队的专用名词。最早,Alternative Rock包含广泛:Alternative Rock是属于非主流的地下音乐,在当时这词甚至也指代大部分地下摇滚乐。但在90年代初,Alternative Rock中一部分如Nirvana涅磐乐队的专辑大获成功,顺利进入主流市场后,Alternative Rock才被主流听众所关注。此时,主流市场从Alternative Rock中选择了些符合主流听众口味的风格,而使Alternative Rock出现了分化:Alternative Rock的那些仍在地下、未被主流市场选择的,或拒绝进入主流音乐市场的音乐风格被称为Indie Rock;成功进入主流音乐市场的各种音乐风格及其下属各分支风格分类的界限被主流乐评们模糊化,理由是既然是主流了就没必要再去细分...,所以Alternative Rock这名词正式成为对Post Punk主流部分的泛称,这是Alternative Rock的全新涵义。Indie Rock继承了Alternative Rock的原始涵义成为了地下摇滚独立音乐的泛称,即取代了Alternative Rock原始地位。(有时候,Indie music也会代替Indie Rock被用于形容Post Punk的非主流部分。因为有种看法认为Indie Rock并不是一种流派,而且有认为Indie Rock的相关风格中至少有一个风格如PostRock是与其并列的,因此用Indie music更少异议[尽管在介绍PostRock乐队的时候仍称它们为Indie Rock乐队]。有时,我们会把不管Indie music还是Indie Rock简化为Indie,都是一个意思)

由Post Punk发展来的各种音乐风格,主流的部分统称为Alternative Rock,地下部分统称为Indie Rock(主流部分的Post Punk各分支风格不再细分,地下部分又细分很多种分支如:indie pop,dream pop,noise-pop,lo-fi,math rock,post-rock,space rock, sadcore,emo,chamber pop,slowcore,Neo-Psychedelia,Shoegazing,Twee Pop 等这些地下音乐的中坚风格)

Indie Rock比现在的Alternative Rock更实验、拒绝与主流同化而坚持独立姿态。国外乐评们公认的观点是:Indie Rock从来不会改变它的音乐取向而去迎合主流听众,Indie Rock绝不可能成为主流听众的首选。
对主流听众来说,Indie Rock包含了太多不合他们口味的因素:太古怪、太无知、太不可思议、太敏感、太忧郁、太轻柔、太脆弱、太空幻太不现实、太有被催眠的感觉、太个人化、太有潜意识性的歌词、在制作上太低质/粗糙,还有在旋律和吉他Riff上太有棱有角...。
这样说来,Post Punk的各分支风格,不含以上因素的各类风格符合主流听众口味,成为主流音乐中的Alternative Rock...

还应该提一句的是,尽管Alternative Rock成为了主流音乐的一部分,但从Post Punk发展而来的实验精神创新精神还是有的,虽然这方面远比不上Indie Rock...
(Post Punk就是将Punk的独立精神发展得更远,延伸至更实验的领域。在一些方面,Post Punk完全推翻了传统意义上的Punk音乐结构,如此颠覆传统难怪有认为Post Punk运动的精神实质其实是超越Punk运动甚至反Punk运动如Post Punk后朋克的goth rock哥特摇滚风格就对人性开始更深层关注...)



3.关于独立 Indie



曾听不少人提起过Indies band,说Indies band做出的音乐就叫Indie music独立音乐了。



偶说:



Indie有以发行渠道而言的;也有以音乐制作上的独立姿态而言的。
有些Indie Label独立厂牌的作品会交给Major代为生产与发行;
而一些制作主流音乐的非Major厂牌出的碟也被列为Indie是不正确的。
有的Indies band是向往主流市场的,苦于音乐制作的观念已不合时宜,或不够号召力,因此不会被Major所选择。



偶认为所谓的Indie还是应该从作品的音乐态度是否是Indie上去分辨,发行渠道不能作为重要依据。就像上面说的那样,真正的Indie music是从来不会改变它的音乐取向而去迎合主流听众的。



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Indie在音乐上的解释:
Indie是一种态度,一种音乐人对于音乐创作的态度,推而广之,它同样也是听乐人对于音乐取舍的态度,我们听音乐或多或少都是在慢慢形成自己的音乐取向,形成一种不受外界干扰的独立态度,因此有必要时时Check Your Attitude,保持清醒头脑。Indie取自“independent”一词,被用在那些在音乐上坚持DIY(Do It Yourself)精神的后朋克乐队以及那些低预算的小厂牌所推出的唱片。尽管最大的Indie厂牌会与主流厂牌有销售方面的交易,但是这些Indie厂牌的对于音乐的Decision-Making还是拥有绝对的自主权,因此他们有更多的自由去发现那些不为主流听众所知的音响、乐感或是其他的富有情感的主题,然而另一方面他们推出的这些音乐也许并不会带来和其音乐品味成正比的收益...

Indie与发行相关的另一解释:
指的是艺人所属的唱片公司是Independent Label(独立公司),并不像全球五大唱片公司(WEA、POLYGRAM、EMI、CBS←后来的SONY、BMG)有极为庞大的发行网,可以为歌手作造型、宣传活动等整体设计,由于Major(即五大唱片公司系统)可以为艺人提供最好的录音师、伴奏者等客观环境,定完整的行销计画,因此往往具有能将一个平凡人塑造成大明星的能力,更重要的是在以商业利益为考虑下,大唱片公司旗下的好艺人往往被迫牺牲一些理想与执着。这也就是死硬派摇滚爱好者唾弃Major的商业色彩浓厚,而拥护一些可以让艺人自己制作,依自己理想去出专辑而又不作很多商业宣传的Indie唱片公司。目前英、美拥护Indie音乐最有力的杂志,分别是英国的New Musical Express(NME)、SOUNDS、Record Mirror等,美国则为SPIN、Option(纯Indie)、Catalogue(纯Indie)及纽约地区性但颇受重视的The Big Takeover等。Indie音乐主要拥护者多为大学生与知识分子,美国主流摇滚龙头杂志Rolling Stone滚石杂志自1985年后开始刊登大学校园专辑榜(College Albums),上榜者多为Indie作品,可为证明。

附内容由*prodigy与Ethereal译自相关资料*


需要补充的是任何音乐的情绪都会有阴暗色调与阳光色调的分别,Post Punk音乐也不例外。

Indie music专指Post Punk的亮色调部分,goth rock哥特摇滚是Post Punk的暗色调,所以不属于Indie music。

还有要知道的是,独立音乐人从不会使用单一手法去做音乐,否则就没有其独立创新的意义了~

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