重了，重了，stage1st那个帖子英文链接就是YKFAN讨论的主题引用啊。
我把youtube视频下面为yoko辩护的评论翻译出来，贴在这里，这些便是我说得出的和说不出的。顺便说，那人若是单独
作业，我佩服他（她）听的范围，但指控的有点过分，有些都是要仔细听才能听出的相似点。
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pisayoz (1 week ago) -1 (Reply)
To deny that we now live in a remix culture is delusion, and to fight the free culture movement is futility: the Internet is a memetic cancer made of light. Originality, or whatever value we once held for its achievement, is now defined by popularity. Pop culture can only remember so much, moreso verify every entertaining lie it endlessly generates. All I can say is: Sit, stare, shut up and worship everything.
pisayoz (1 week ago) -1 (Reply)
Btw, I am one of the last delusional audience who fights the futile
war against "unoriginality" and who still believes that there is a
Person behind every art. I worship Yoko Kanno for her original works, and not how she recently ripped-off Clint Mansell's Lux Aeterna for Smooth in the Shell. Mansell, btw, ripped that off Cradle of Filth's Lustmord and Wargasm
否认我们现在生活在一个混音文化的事实是错觉，而且反对自由的文化运动徒劳无益：因特网由光为癌细胞的复制衍生物（注：这人说话真cyber，哈~）。原创性，或者说不管是哪种实用的价值观我们曾经拥有，现在都被大众流行给决定。大众文化只能记住到这种程度，因此要辨明每个娱乐中的谎言都变得没完没了。所有我能说的是：坐下，细看，闭嘴来葱白一切。
顺便说我是最后一群妄想反抗非原创，进行这种无劳战争的听众之一，并且我们这群人相信在每种艺术之后存在原本之人。我因菅野洋子的原创作品葱白她，而不是她最近在Smooth in the Shell截取部分Clint Mansell（注：一个作电影做音乐的人，合成电子乐居多）的作品 Lux Aeterna。mansell这个人，顺便说，他的那部分是截取自Filth的Lustmord and Wargasm
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eddefy22 (1 week ago) (Reply)
honestly yako kano makes it sounds better!
老实说菅野洋子的版本更好听。
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AlusPryde (2 weeks ago) (Reply)
No offense, but you could take any artist and with enough spare time and a good use of google, you could find many songs similiar to their songs.
At that's without taking into account what FreUser wrote
没有恶意，只要你有足够时间和好好使用google搜索，对于任何艺术家，你都能找到许多与他们的相似的歌曲。
而且那些还不算进无名小子写的东西。
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FreUser (3 weeks ago)
A connection can also be made between Yoko Kanno's "Revenge" and Maurice Ravel's "Bolero".
There is a large difference between stealing, borrowing, and homaging when it comes to music, and I believe Kanno intentionally practices the latter. Part of what makes her so brilliant is her ability to incorporate snippets of other popular works into her pieces, while still the majority original. It is known as an allusion, and it doesn't only appear an literature.
菅野洋子的revenge和拉威尔的Bolero也有联系。
谈到音乐说偷窃，借用，和致敬之间有很大的区别， 我相信洋子是有意识的实行后者（致敬）。部分使得她才华横溢的原因，是
她裁剪他人成功作品到她自己的这种整合能力，同时她能保持整体的原创性。这叫隐喻典故，而且不仅仅只运用在文学作品里。
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96workorange (Reply)
Actually,she pinched some lines from their original music.
实际上，她从别人那里取了一小撮风格思路。
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MrBounce123 (1 month ago)-1
You do realize a lot of her music is re-arrangements and re-mixes of existing songs...? Always has been, and probably always will be.
你知不知道许多她的许多作品是重新编排重新混音现成的歌么……？早就这样了，而且往后也会这样。
（这人的限定词用太随便了-_-）
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xensan76 (1 month ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply)
Eh, not really
嗯，没呀
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inspecterclouseau (3 weeks ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply)
Yoko Kanno follows in the tradition of composers like Gluck, Salieri, Sacchini, Cherubini, Méhul and Spontini. She takes the innovations of her time and attempts to push them forward whist paying homage to the musicians she manages to emulate into her own language. Also, those who may never have heard the music she was inspired from, can probably gain insight into how great ideas are inspired.
karmaka (3 weeks ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply)
Any example?
inspecterclouseau (3 weeks ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply)
Also, those who may never have heard the music she was inspired from, can probably gain insight into how great ideas are inspired. I'm pretty sure that the ideas shown here in comparison to Kanno are also inspired in much the same way.
而且，那些从未听过启发她的那些音乐的人，会深刻理解到好的理念是怎样启发出来的。我确信这些理念在被拿来做比较的例子中，也同理受到别处的影响。
（下面那个人要LS）举例子
菅野洋子师从作曲家Gluck, Salieri, Sacchini, Cherubini, Méhul and Spontini（我怎么看着都像意大利人名？）的传统。她继承了同时代的（音乐）创新，并且更进一步默默地向这些她努力仿效并转化为自己语言的音乐家们致敬。同样，（译注：以下的话是评论人对前面的重复和补充）那些从未听过她受启发的那些音乐的人，会深入了解到好理念是如何被启发出来的。
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inspecterclouseau (3 weeks ago) Show Hide Marked as spam +1 (Reply)
You just need to search and search. Just like Brahms said about his 1st symphony, "Of course that's Beethoven in my symphony, only an idiot would not realize that!" Stravinsky said, "Great composers don't borrow, they steal". This kind of comparison is interesting, but I hope it is not the goal of the author to shame Mrs. Kanno, that would be ignorant of musical history.
你只需搜索又搜索。就像勃拉姆斯说他的第一交响乐，“当然我音乐里有贝多芬，只有白痴听不出来”。撕拉文斯基说，“好的作曲家不去借用，他们偷”。这种比较有趣，但我希望视频作者的目的不是为了给菅野女士难堪，那将是对音乐史的无知。
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JetBlackBlues (1 week ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply)
There's a difference between inspiration and theft. Comparing these examples of shameless and ethically galling plagiarism to the work of Brahms and Stravinsky is specious. The history of music is not a history of empty parroting. You're apologizing for Kanno.
（这是直接反对上段的话，贴出来示众）
受启发和偷窃是不同的。把这些无耻和不道德的剽窃范例与勃拉姆斯和撕拉文斯基的作品比较是似是而非的谬论。音乐史不是空洞的鹦鹉学舌的音乐史。你在为菅野辩白而已。
（译者评论：此人对菅野无爱，对她音乐的认识恐怕就是youtube这里面几首而已。
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spicykakimochi (2 weeks ago) -1 (Reply)
If anything, I should thank Yoko Kanno for letting me explore all these different composers and artists. If I hadn't searched her name, I would never have heard any of these songs in my life!
Every song that is similarly taken is twisted a little to make it sound like "Yoko Kanno". I appreciate her ability to recognize potential in other songs and artists to use it in her music.
就算有，我也得感谢菅野洋子让我有机会接触到所有这些不同的作曲家音乐人。如果我不是认识她，我一生都不会听过这些歌。
每首相似歌（指与菅野的做比较的那些）经过些许改动后，使他们更“菅野”化。我欣赏她理解辨认其他人歌曲的内在并使用到自己音乐里的能力。
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asedatedmoose (1 week ago) (Reply)
In defense of Kanno, there are times when a director/writer/producer is thinking of a song that already exists for a part in a show or movie, and the musical director has to come up with something similar to that. Also, even with great jazz musicians, they'll sometimes play their own version of a song and give it a different name, like the different versions of I got Rhythm.
为给菅野辩护，很多次导演/编剧/制作人想到一首现成的歌可以用在电影或者节目中的一幕里，并且音乐监督得弄出来一些相似的东西。同样，甚至是伟大的爵士音乐家，他们有时给一首歌加入自己的风格并重新命名，就象我有不同版本的歌Rhythm。
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fatchan (1 week ago) (Reply)
Yeah I second this. Producers want a song similar to the ones they envision for the song but just different enough so they don't have to pay for the original licensing.
对，我同意。制作人希望一首歌既能达到预期的那首现成的歌效果，但又能不同到他们不需付原版的版税。
（译注：我记起来了，那些从cowboy bebop中挑出来指控剽窃的例子都是口胡。cowboy bebop的监督渡边信一郎本身是jazz fan，访谈中也有说渡边给菅野听CD，亲自指导音乐要写成什么样子。）
俺的意见：菅野洋子，你干脆出一本音乐解说书吧，你本自学成才，肯定有许多ideas off the page，这样也是回应那些人，音乐是怎么创作出来的。
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最初由 羽毛毛 发布
出现了出现了... wbcan好久不见;)
流浪大？ 汗，我对不起你……
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最初由 maliyingcherry 发布
WB!!你还活着@_@ orz...
给你发邮件你都不回呢。。。何时回国我们聚聚啊？
人半死不活的
抱歉，你确定邮箱无误，我没收到啥呀。
